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Instructor and trainee flight crew are accused by ground observer of violating dfw's class B airspace and landing at a controled airport without clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 347600 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199609 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : dfw airport : gpm |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 190 |
| ASRS Report | 347600 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | other other : other |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
My student and myself performed a (simulated) engine out to an uncontrolled airfield (as depicted on the charts) low approach only. However, the chief of operations at the helicopter training facility seems to think that because there is a control tower, that this controled airspace, the terminal area and sectional show no special use, controled or anything. He also said we violated class B dfw airspace, even though we were talking to approach and were squawking a code with a clearance. If the helicopter training area is controled, someone needs to change the charts to show that airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR AND TRAINEE FLC ARE ACCUSED BY GND OBSERVER OF VIOLATING DFW'S CLASS B AIRSPACE AND LNDG AT A CTLED ARPT WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND MYSELF PERFORMED A (SIMULATED) ENG OUT TO AN UNCTLED AIRFIELD (AS DEPICTED ON THE CHARTS) LOW APCH ONLY. HOWEVER, THE CHIEF OF OPS AT THE HELI TRAINING FACILITY SEEMS TO THINK THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A CTL TWR, THAT THIS CTLED AIRSPACE, THE TERMINAL AREA AND SECTIONAL SHOW NO SPECIAL USE, CTLED OR ANYTHING. HE ALSO SAID WE VIOLATED CLASS B DFW AIRSPACE, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE TALKING TO APCH AND WERE SQUAWKING A CODE WITH A CLRNC. IF THE HELI TRAINING AREA IS CTLED, SOMEONE NEEDS TO CHANGE THE CHARTS TO SHOW THAT AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.