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Attributes | |
ACN | 347821 |
Time | |
Date | 199609 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : l80 |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cae |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cardinal 177/177RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 96 flight time total : 480 flight time type : 8 |
ASRS Report | 347821 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My chkout candidate had come to me asking for instruction in unusual airports in this mountainous area and to get checked out in the C177. We would do a few soft field lndgs on the dirt strip. The runway is 2600 ft, temperature was 31 degrees C, density altitude 4200 ft -- there should be no problem. I had looked at the flight guide as we were inbound for high desert. As we were taxiing out, opted for a runway 24 departure with a 2-3 KT tailwind. It seemed light and variable. I think unicom called it that. I thought runway 24 had a downgrade of 1.4 percent. As we entered the runway, I noticed what could have been small stones on the ground. I told the other pilot we may want to start out with a soft field technique -- once we got some speed on the runway we would just let the nose down a bit and make it a short field takeoff. Full power applied, all was green. Airspeed was indicating 49 mph at 1/2 runway, we needed just another 8-9 mph to have liftoff at 1800 pounds gross weight. We should have been accelerating, instead the needle was just creeping 50 mph, 51... X, in the left seat, still had full throttle. I opted to let him pursue the takeoff since the runway was unobstructed and beyond was only desert and brush. We would just climb into ground effect and 'wait it out' awhile. But even that did not look feasible as it looked like we had 800 ft to the end of the runway. I called to abort the takeoff, but X was still full throttle. As I said it again and again, I reached over and pulled the power to idle, said it was my airplane and pulled up slowly to apply aerodynamic braking as well as foot brakes. The plane took to the air but was not flying, just bouncing left and right. We were taking side loading on the gear and the desert was coming up fast. I could see us hitting the dunes sideways, or worse, the main gear, left or right could get caught in thick brush and spin the plane around. I opted for full power to get control again and a full forward moment. I think we were both flying the plane at this point because although I had said 'my airplane' I still called 'full power, full power, full power.' he answered, 'we have it, we have it.' I was concentrated on maintaining control with elevator, aileron and rudder. Had I gone straight ahead with no power, I feel I would have had too little to work with and lost control. We bounced off the dunes until the aircraft came to a halt in the sand, estimated 1000 ft or 1200 ft more or less straight ahead. My mistake was to read the incline arrow in the directory wrongly. I thought I was taking off downhill with a possible tailwind. Instead I was rolling up 1.4 percent, worst case possible. I ran the numbers through the poh. Despite this terrible combination, it showed I could add some 60 percent to my takeoff roll distance and still have enough runway available. I believe I waited too long before taking positive corrective action, aborting the takeoff sooner may have kept us on the runway. Damage to the aircraft was minor, consisting of skin damage, plastic accessories and antennas.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLT INSTRUCTOR IN A C177 RAN OFF THE END OF AN UPHILL RWY. HE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS DOWNHILL. ERROR ADMITTED. ACFT DAMAGE SKIN, PLASTIC ACCESSORIES, AND ANTENNAS.
Narrative: MY CHKOUT CANDIDATE HAD COME TO ME ASKING FOR INSTRUCTION IN UNUSUAL ARPTS IN THIS MOUNTAINOUS AREA AND TO GET CHKED OUT IN THE C177. WE WOULD DO A FEW SOFT FIELD LNDGS ON THE DIRT STRIP. THE RWY IS 2600 FT, TEMP WAS 31 DEGS C, DENSITY ALT 4200 FT -- THERE SHOULD BE NO PROB. I HAD LOOKED AT THE FLT GUIDE AS WE WERE INBOUND FOR HIGH DESERT. AS WE WERE TAXIING OUT, OPTED FOR A RWY 24 DEP WITH A 2-3 KT TAILWIND. IT SEEMED LIGHT AND VARIABLE. I THINK UNICOM CALLED IT THAT. I THOUGHT RWY 24 HAD A DOWNGRADE OF 1.4 PERCENT. AS WE ENTERED THE RWY, I NOTICED WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN SMALL STONES ON THE GND. I TOLD THE OTHER PLT WE MAY WANT TO START OUT WITH A SOFT FIELD TECHNIQUE -- ONCE WE GOT SOME SPD ON THE RWY WE WOULD JUST LET THE NOSE DOWN A BIT AND MAKE IT A SHORT FIELD TKOF. FULL PWR APPLIED, ALL WAS GREEN. AIRSPD WAS INDICATING 49 MPH AT 1/2 RWY, WE NEEDED JUST ANOTHER 8-9 MPH TO HAVE LIFTOFF AT 1800 LBS GROSS WT. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACCELERATING, INSTEAD THE NEEDLE WAS JUST CREEPING 50 MPH, 51... X, IN THE L SEAT, STILL HAD FULL THROTTLE. I OPTED TO LET HIM PURSUE THE TKOF SINCE THE RWY WAS UNOBSTRUCTED AND BEYOND WAS ONLY DESERT AND BRUSH. WE WOULD JUST CLB INTO GND EFFECT AND 'WAIT IT OUT' AWHILE. BUT EVEN THAT DID NOT LOOK FEASIBLE AS IT LOOKED LIKE WE HAD 800 FT TO THE END OF THE RWY. I CALLED TO ABORT THE TKOF, BUT X WAS STILL FULL THROTTLE. AS I SAID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, I REACHED OVER AND PULLED THE PWR TO IDLE, SAID IT WAS MY AIRPLANE AND PULLED UP SLOWLY TO APPLY AERODYNAMIC BRAKING AS WELL AS FOOT BRAKES. THE PLANE TOOK TO THE AIR BUT WAS NOT FLYING, JUST BOUNCING L AND R. WE WERE TAKING SIDE LOADING ON THE GEAR AND THE DESERT WAS COMING UP FAST. I COULD SEE US HITTING THE DUNES SIDEWAYS, OR WORSE, THE MAIN GEAR, L OR R COULD GET CAUGHT IN THICK BRUSH AND SPIN THE PLANE AROUND. I OPTED FOR FULL PWR TO GET CTL AGAIN AND A FULL FORWARD MOMENT. I THINK WE WERE BOTH FLYING THE PLANE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I HAD SAID 'MY AIRPLANE' I STILL CALLED 'FULL PWR, FULL PWR, FULL PWR.' HE ANSWERED, 'WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE IT.' I WAS CONCENTRATED ON MAINTAINING CTL WITH ELEVATOR, AILERON AND RUDDER. HAD I GONE STRAIGHT AHEAD WITH NO PWR, I FEEL I WOULD HAVE HAD TOO LITTLE TO WORK WITH AND LOST CTL. WE BOUNCED OFF THE DUNES UNTIL THE ACFT CAME TO A HALT IN THE SAND, ESTIMATED 1000 FT OR 1200 FT MORE OR LESS STRAIGHT AHEAD. MY MISTAKE WAS TO READ THE INCLINE ARROW IN THE DIRECTORY WRONGLY. I THOUGHT I WAS TAKING OFF DOWNHILL WITH A POSSIBLE TAILWIND. INSTEAD I WAS ROLLING UP 1.4 PERCENT, WORST CASE POSSIBLE. I RAN THE NUMBERS THROUGH THE POH. DESPITE THIS TERRIBLE COMBINATION, IT SHOWED I COULD ADD SOME 60 PERCENT TO MY TKOF ROLL DISTANCE AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH RWY AVAILABLE. I BELIEVE I WAITED TOO LONG BEFORE TAKING POSITIVE CORRECTIVE ACTION, ABORTING THE TKOF SOONER MAY HAVE KEPT US ON THE RWY. DAMAGE TO THE ACFT WAS MINOR, CONSISTING OF SKIN DAMAGE, PLASTIC ACCESSORIES AND ANTENNAS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.