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Attributes | |
ACN | 348900 |
Time | |
Date | 199609 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lex |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10600 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | B707 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 348900 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On descent with ZID I was flying the aircraft from the left seat. I recalled our clearance to 10000 ft. We were deviating from numerous rain showers. The copilot recalled an altitude clearance to 11000 ft and set the altitude alerter. After more deviations for rain showers, I asked the crew if we were cleared to 10000 ft. The copilot was adjusting the WX radar at this time. The navigation (the C137 has a 4 person crew) confirmed 10000 ft, and I reset the altitude alerter to 10000 ft. We were in a slight descent when center asked us for our altitude. The copilot looked over at the altitude alerter and seeing 10000 ft, replied passing 11000 ft for 10000 ft. I leveled the aircraft at 10600 ft. The copilot asked center 'confirm altitude cleared to.' after a slight delay, center cleared us to 10000 ft. The jump seat pilot was listening to ATIS, the flight engineer was accomplishing checklist items during this. Remainder of the approach was uneventful. Recommendation: clarifying a clearance within the cockpit does not assure you of completely understanding ATC's instructions. At the first hint of uncertainty, it cannot be overstated -- query the controller -- especially for clearance of 11000 ft or 10000 ft. Additionally, if ATC is unsure if you are at your assigned altitude, they should first state your cleared altitude in the ATC system, so you can correct if necessary. ATC asking the crew first can delay possible corrective action.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIL C137 CAPT, THINKING HE IS CLRED TO 10000 FT, OVERSHOOTS ASSIGNED ALT OF 11000 FT.
Narrative: ON DSCNT WITH ZID I WAS FLYING THE ACFT FROM THE L SEAT. I RECALLED OUR CLRNC TO 10000 FT. WE WERE DEVIATING FROM NUMEROUS RAIN SHOWERS. THE COPLT RECALLED AN ALT CLRNC TO 11000 FT AND SET THE ALT ALERTER. AFTER MORE DEVS FOR RAIN SHOWERS, I ASKED THE CREW IF WE WERE CLRED TO 10000 FT. THE COPLT WAS ADJUSTING THE WX RADAR AT THIS TIME. THE NAV (THE C137 HAS A 4 PERSON CREW) CONFIRMED 10000 FT, AND I RESET THE ALT ALERTER TO 10000 FT. WE WERE IN A SLIGHT DSCNT WHEN CTR ASKED US FOR OUR ALT. THE COPLT LOOKED OVER AT THE ALT ALERTER AND SEEING 10000 FT, REPLIED PASSING 11000 FT FOR 10000 FT. I LEVELED THE ACFT AT 10600 FT. THE COPLT ASKED CTR 'CONFIRM ALT CLRED TO.' AFTER A SLIGHT DELAY, CTR CLRED US TO 10000 FT. THE JUMP SEAT PLT WAS LISTENING TO ATIS, THE FE WAS ACCOMPLISHING CHKLIST ITEMS DURING THIS. REMAINDER OF THE APCH WAS UNEVENTFUL. RECOMMENDATION: CLARIFYING A CLRNC WITHIN THE COCKPIT DOES NOT ASSURE YOU OF COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING ATC'S INSTRUCTIONS. AT THE FIRST HINT OF UNCERTAINTY, IT CANNOT BE OVERSTATED -- QUERY THE CTLR -- ESPECIALLY FOR CLRNC OF 11000 FT OR 10000 FT. ADDITIONALLY, IF ATC IS UNSURE IF YOU ARE AT YOUR ASSIGNED ALT, THEY SHOULD FIRST STATE YOUR CLRED ALT IN THE ATC SYS, SO YOU CAN CORRECT IF NECESSARY. ATC ASKING THE CREW FIRST CAN DELAY POSSIBLE CORRECTIVE ACTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.