37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 351540 |
Time | |
Date | 199610 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 126 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 126 |
ASRS Report | 351540 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I didn't fill in the above, because the problem is with duty time, not specific aircraft. I'm on reverse this month, and upon checking in the night of oct/xx/96, was given reserve duty for oct/yy/96 later that night. I was called to take a lax-las-lax-hnl segment on oct/yy/96. During the lax- hnl portion I had a chance to add up my logbook for the past week and found I had served as so on flts totalling 35 hours within the past 7 days, not usually a concern as my usual flight segments are international, specifically lax-hnl-lax. Upon contacting scheduling after the flight, they at first denied there was an over duty situation, then admitted that perhaps there was one, as a previously flown segment of mine had not been put into their scheduling computer. So the problem as I see it: 1) the sometimes confusing interface between domestic and flag duty rules. 2) my unfounded trust in scheduling not to send me on a trip that was illegal due to duty rules. 3) my complacency in duty time awareness due to usually flying internationally without a 30 in 7 limitation, therefore being unconcerned about keeping my logbook added up in a timely manner, and applying that to domestic flight rules. I am now fanatically aware of my flight time and duty rules, and completely suspicious of the scheduling department.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A SO RPT OF FLC WORK SCHEDULING PROBS WHEN MIXING DOMESTIC WITH INTL FLT TIMES.
Narrative: I DIDN'T FILL IN THE ABOVE, BECAUSE THE PROB IS WITH DUTY TIME, NOT SPECIFIC ACFT. I'M ON REVERSE THIS MONTH, AND UPON CHKING IN THE NIGHT OF OCT/XX/96, WAS GIVEN RESERVE DUTY FOR OCT/YY/96 LATER THAT NIGHT. I WAS CALLED TO TAKE A LAX-LAS-LAX-HNL SEGMENT ON OCT/YY/96. DURING THE LAX- HNL PORTION I HAD A CHANCE TO ADD UP MY LOGBOOK FOR THE PAST WK AND FOUND I HAD SERVED AS SO ON FLTS TOTALLING 35 HRS WITHIN THE PAST 7 DAYS, NOT USUALLY A CONCERN AS MY USUAL FLT SEGMENTS ARE INTL, SPECIFICALLY LAX-HNL-LAX. UPON CONTACTING SCHEDULING AFTER THE FLT, THEY AT FIRST DENIED THERE WAS AN OVER DUTY SIT, THEN ADMITTED THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS ONE, AS A PREVIOUSLY FLOWN SEGMENT OF MINE HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO THEIR SCHEDULING COMPUTER. SO THE PROB AS I SEE IT: 1) THE SOMETIMES CONFUSING INTERFACE BTWN DOMESTIC AND FLAG DUTY RULES. 2) MY UNFOUNDED TRUST IN SCHEDULING NOT TO SEND ME ON A TRIP THAT WAS ILLEGAL DUE TO DUTY RULES. 3) MY COMPLACENCY IN DUTY TIME AWARENESS DUE TO USUALLY FLYING INTERNATIONALLY WITHOUT A 30 IN 7 LIMITATION, THEREFORE BEING UNCONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING MY LOGBOOK ADDED UP IN A TIMELY MANNER, AND APPLYING THAT TO DOMESTIC FLT RULES. I AM NOW FANATICALLY AWARE OF MY FLT TIME AND DUTY RULES, AND COMPLETELY SUSPICIOUS OF THE SCHEDULING DEPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.