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Attributes | |
ACN | 353220 |
Time | |
Date | 199611 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord tower : pvr |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 353220 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Intra Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
ATC facility: ord approach. Location: ord 220 degree radial 30 mi. After being cleared to descend to 8000 ft from 11000 ft, we got a TA on the TCASII at 12 O'clock, approximately 4 mi, about 1000 ft below us and climbing. The subject aircraft continued to close on us and continued to climb. When it emerged from the clouds, its course was diverging from us at what appeared to be the same altitude. Had I not made a slow descent from 11000 ft, it is my judgement that we would have had a conflict or RA. There was just too much chatter on the radio to question the controller. The conflict aircraft appeared to be a B737 on a westerly heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN APPARENT POTENTIAL CONFLICT BTWN CLBING AND DSNDING TFC IN THE ORD AREA. TA NOT GIVEN.
Narrative: ATC FACILITY: ORD APCH. LOCATION: ORD 220 DEG RADIAL 30 MI. AFTER BEING CLRED TO DSND TO 8000 FT FROM 11000 FT, WE GOT A TA ON THE TCASII AT 12 O'CLOCK, APPROX 4 MI, ABOUT 1000 FT BELOW US AND CLBING. THE SUBJECT ACFT CONTINUED TO CLOSE ON US AND CONTINUED TO CLB. WHEN IT EMERGED FROM THE CLOUDS, ITS COURSE WAS DIVERGING FROM US AT WHAT APPEARED TO BE THE SAME ALT. HAD I NOT MADE A SLOW DSCNT FROM 11000 FT, IT IS MY JUDGEMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD A CONFLICT OR RA. THERE WAS JUST TOO MUCH CHATTER ON THE RADIO TO QUESTION THE CTLR. THE CONFLICT ACFT APPEARED TO BE A B737 ON A WESTERLY HDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.