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Attributes | |
ACN | 354587 |
Time | |
Date | 199612 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk tower : mlu |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 204 flight time total : 4520 flight time type : 551 |
ASRS Report | 354587 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 354586 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While doing an approach into jfk, approach vectored us in behind an air carrier B767 at a distance of 4 DME. Approach turned us over to tower at approximately 10 DME. Tower told us 'caution wake turbulence, maintain 160 KTS to the marker, cleared to land runway 31R.' the LOM at jfk is 5.2 DME from the field. We were catching up to the B767, so we slowed to 150 KTS approximately 2 mi outside the marker, then we slowed to 140 KTS at the LOM and held 140 KTS to 200 ft AGL. Tower reprimanded us for slowing outside the marker. At the time we were doing the approach, there was a foreign B747 behind us on approach to runway 31R as well. Tower told the B747 to slow to final approach speed. We landed and expedited clear of the runway. The foreign B747 landed without incident. When tower told us 'caution wake turbulence,' and we noticed we were overtaking the B767, we took it upon ourselves to slow. But judging from the reaction of the tower controller, we shouldn't have. It seems that on a daily basis we are being vectored in behind some heavy (well within the 5 mi limit that we are supposed to have). We're also giving takeoff clrncs before the heavy is 5 mi away or 2 mins has passed. The most serious offenders are jfk, ewr, and phl. Controllers are not following the proper spacing requirements as often as they should.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHILE ON APCH TO RWY 31R AT JFK, A COMMUTER FLC RECEIVED A CLRNC TO MAINTAIN A SPD THAT DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO REMAIN CLR OF THE PRECEDING B767'S WAKE TURB. THE FLC REDUCED SPD, BUT WERE THEN REPRIMANDED FOR SLOWING AND CAUSING A PROB WITH THE B747 TFC FOLLOWING THEM. THE FLC POINTS TO CTLR PRESSURE AND LACK OF SUFFICIENT SPACING AS THE CAUSE OF THE PROB.
Narrative: WHILE DOING AN APCH INTO JFK, APCH VECTORED US IN BEHIND AN ACR B767 AT A DISTANCE OF 4 DME. APCH TURNED US OVER TO TWR AT APPROX 10 DME. TWR TOLD US 'CAUTION WAKE TURB, MAINTAIN 160 KTS TO THE MARKER, CLRED TO LAND RWY 31R.' THE LOM AT JFK IS 5.2 DME FROM THE FIELD. WE WERE CATCHING UP TO THE B767, SO WE SLOWED TO 150 KTS APPROX 2 MI OUTSIDE THE MARKER, THEN WE SLOWED TO 140 KTS AT THE LOM AND HELD 140 KTS TO 200 FT AGL. TWR REPRIMANDED US FOR SLOWING OUTSIDE THE MARKER. AT THE TIME WE WERE DOING THE APCH, THERE WAS A FOREIGN B747 BEHIND US ON APCH TO RWY 31R AS WELL. TWR TOLD THE B747 TO SLOW TO FINAL APCH SPD. WE LANDED AND EXPEDITED CLR OF THE RWY. THE FOREIGN B747 LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. WHEN TWR TOLD US 'CAUTION WAKE TURB,' AND WE NOTICED WE WERE OVERTAKING THE B767, WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO SLOW. BUT JUDGING FROM THE REACTION OF THE TWR CTLR, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE. IT SEEMS THAT ON A DAILY BASIS WE ARE BEING VECTORED IN BEHIND SOME HVY (WELL WITHIN THE 5 MI LIMIT THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE). WE'RE ALSO GIVING TKOF CLRNCS BEFORE THE HVY IS 5 MI AWAY OR 2 MINS HAS PASSED. THE MOST SERIOUS OFFENDERS ARE JFK, EWR, AND PHL. CTLRS ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE PROPER SPACING REQUIREMENTS AS OFTEN AS THEY SHOULD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.