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Attributes | |
ACN | 354791 |
Time | |
Date | 199611 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pdx |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 3000 agl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pdx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | F28 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : star enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 354791 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approach control gave us a vector about 40 degrees right to follow company for visual approach to runway 28L. The other aircraft was basically aligned for a straight-in, specific runway unknown. I started to turn the heading bug to the new heading, but the captain slapped my hand away from the control knob. Instead of taking the vector, the captain did not turn, continued on a flight path that gave us crossing flight paths. At the time of the vector, we had the other aircraft in sight. During the ensuing discussion between the captain and approach control, the other aircraft went behind a cloud, we lost sight and eventually went IMC ourselves, still on crossing flight paths at about or close to the same altitude. The captain did not report we had lost sight. The only option left to the controller because we still have not turned off of the original flight path, was to give the other aircraft the approach to runway 28R, us runway 28L. We then descended out of the clouds. The controller was trying to accommodate both aircraft on runway 28L. I still don't know how we got away with not turning. The captain stated on the radio to approach control, he did not understand why we had to be the one to turn and slow for the other aircraft. The incident has been reported to the company and the chief pilot for investigation and action. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter flies for a small air carrier with only about 600 pilots. There is no union to help with this problem. The captain, that is the problem, is on the pilot committee that deals with the air carrier, so complaining to this committee would be useless. The reporter is new with the air carrier but is a retired military pilot. He reports that the subject captain had a fist fight with another captain on the ramp, in full view of the passenger. The reporter is on reserve but has flown 12 legs with the captain and has not been allowed to fly the aircraft. The captain will not discuss the situation. The reporter has taken this problem to his chief pilot who has said that the reporter does not have to fly with the captain again. The reporter promises that he will not. The captain used the company mail system to send a letter to the reporter threatening him with a lawsuit if the reporter did not stop talking about the captain. Other first officer's have talked to air carrier management but the reporter is the first to put anything on paper. The captain is still flying. The reporter is looking for employment with a major air carrier.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FA28 FO RPTS THAT HIS CAPT REFUSED TO TAKE A VECTOR BEHIND ANOTHER ACFT CAUSING THE TRACON APCH CTLR TO ALIGN THE OTHER ACFT WITH THE PARALLEL RWY.
Narrative: APCH CTL GAVE US A VECTOR ABOUT 40 DEGS R TO FOLLOW COMPANY FOR VISUAL APCH TO RWY 28L. THE OTHER ACFT WAS BASICALLY ALIGNED FOR A STRAIGHT-IN, SPECIFIC RWY UNKNOWN. I STARTED TO TURN THE HEADING BUG TO THE NEW HEADING, BUT THE CAPT SLAPPED MY HAND AWAY FROM THE CTL KNOB. INSTEAD OF TAKING THE VECTOR, THE CAPT DID NOT TURN, CONTINUED ON A FLT PATH THAT GAVE US XING FLT PATHS. AT THE TIME OF THE VECTOR, WE HAD THE OTHER ACFT IN SIGHT. DURING THE ENSUING DISCUSSION BTWN THE CAPT AND APCH CTL, THE OTHER ACFT WENT BEHIND A CLOUD, WE LOST SIGHT AND EVENTUALLY WENT IMC OURSELVES, STILL ON XING FLT PATHS AT ABOUT OR CLOSE TO THE SAME ALT. THE CAPT DID NOT RPT WE HAD LOST SIGHT. THE ONLY OPTION LEFT TO THE CTLR BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE NOT TURNED OFF OF THE ORIGINAL FLT PATH, WAS TO GIVE THE OTHER ACFT THE APCH TO RWY 28R, US RWY 28L. WE THEN DSNDED OUT OF THE CLOUDS. THE CTLR WAS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH ACFT ON RWY 28L. I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT AWAY WITH NOT TURNING. THE CAPT STATED ON THE RADIO TO APCH CTL, HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD TO BE THE ONE TO TURN AND SLOW FOR THE OTHER ACFT. THE INCIDENT HAS BEEN RPTED TO THE COMPANY AND THE CHIEF PLT FOR INVESTIGATION AND ACTION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR FLIES FOR A SMALL ACR WITH ONLY ABOUT 600 PLTS. THERE IS NO UNION TO HELP WITH THIS PROB. THE CAPT, THAT IS THE PROB, IS ON THE PLT COMMITTEE THAT DEALS WITH THE ACR, SO COMPLAINING TO THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE USELESS. THE RPTR IS NEW WITH THE ACR BUT IS A RETIRED MIL PLT. HE RPTS THAT THE SUBJECT CAPT HAD A FIST FIGHT WITH ANOTHER CAPT ON THE RAMP, IN FULL VIEW OF THE PAX. THE RPTR IS ON RESERVE BUT HAS FLOWN 12 LEGS WITH THE CAPT AND HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO FLY THE ACFT. THE CAPT WILL NOT DISCUSS THE SIT. THE RPTR HAS TAKEN THIS PROB TO HIS CHIEF PLT WHO HAS SAID THAT THE RPTR DOES NOT HAVE TO FLY WITH THE CAPT AGAIN. THE RPTR PROMISES THAT HE WILL NOT. THE CAPT USED THE COMPANY MAIL SYS TO SEND A LETTER TO THE RPTR THREATENING HIM WITH A LAWSUIT IF THE RPTR DID NOT STOP TALKING ABOUT THE CAPT. OTHER FO'S HAVE TALKED TO ACR MGMNT BUT THE RPTR IS THE FIRST TO PUT ANYTHING ON PAPER. THE CAPT IS STILL FLYING. THE RPTR IS LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT WITH A MAJOR ACR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.