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Complaint about localizer runway 17 approach. The localizer course is 173 degrees. Yet the inbound radial from con is 179 degrees. Also, the IAF, crtla, has no DME and must be idented by a cross radial from psm. Reporter states he refuses to accept that approach.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 355156 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199612 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mht |
| State Reference | NH |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mht |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 355156 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
To properly appreciate the impracticality of this approach procedure please perform the following exercise. Imagine yourself 10 mins out from landing at mht, nh, airport. You have been cleared to the localizer runway 17 IAF to perform the procedure turn/localizer runway 17 approach. Now hack your clock and brief this procedure to your copilot. Time's up! Are you prepared? A few questions: how are you going to set up your navigation radios to identify crtla? Betey? (D11.4 from where? It took me a while to figure it out.) is this approach practical? Why does it have to be so complicated? Can't all crossing restrs be off 1 VOR? It's difficult to accomplish this procedure while flying from an armchair much less real life. I won't fly it, I'll ask for the VOR runway 17 approach and live with the higher limits.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMPLAINT ABOUT LOC RWY 17 APCH. THE LOC COURSE IS 173 DEGS. YET THE INBOUND RADIAL FROM CON IS 179 DEGS. ALSO, THE IAF, CRTLA, HAS NO DME AND MUST BE IDENTED BY A CROSS RADIAL FROM PSM. RPTR STATES HE REFUSES TO ACCEPT THAT APCH.
Narrative: TO PROPERLY APPRECIATE THE IMPRACTICALITY OF THIS APCH PROC PLEASE PERFORM THE FOLLOWING EXERCISE. IMAGINE YOURSELF 10 MINS OUT FROM LNDG AT MHT, NH, ARPT. YOU HAVE BEEN CLRED TO THE LOC RWY 17 IAF TO PERFORM THE PROC TURN/LOC RWY 17 APCH. NOW HACK YOUR CLOCK AND BRIEF THIS PROC TO YOUR COPLT. TIME'S UP! ARE YOU PREPARED? A FEW QUESTIONS: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SET UP YOUR NAV RADIOS TO IDENT CRTLA? BETEY? (D11.4 FROM WHERE? IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIGURE IT OUT.) IS THIS APCH PRACTICAL? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO COMPLICATED? CAN'T ALL XING RESTRS BE OFF 1 VOR? IT'S DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS PROC WHILE FLYING FROM AN ARMCHAIR MUCH LESS REAL LIFE. I WON'T FLY IT, I'LL ASK FOR THE VOR RWY 17 APCH AND LIVE WITH THE HIGHER LIMITS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.