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Attributes | |
ACN | 356100 |
Time | |
Date | 199612 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 356100 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | aircraft : equipment problem dissipated none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On IOE instructional flight for a new first officer. After engine start at bur, noticed high idle on right engine. All other parameters normal. Elected to taxi clear of terminal area and pull off at runup area to attempt to close bleeds in engine by advancing power. Phone patch with maintenance control was made to discuss problem and en route MEL received. As aircraft departed, dispatch tried to stop departure for incorrect issuance of MEL due to performance limitation considerations for abort on runway at bur with engine at high idle. On subsequent landing, engine functioned normally as it did for next leg. MEL was removed at the first landing after bur. The relevant lesson here is an old one of human factors: 1) had even 2 or 3 mins more time elapsed before takeoff, dispatch would have corrected MEL issuance. So move slowly and methodically, do not assume or rush. 2) had I, as captain, finished my review completely of performance information in MEL book, ie, not assume it would only affect landing, I would have caught performance caution for abort -- ie, no matter what you think or believe, always read the whole procedure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR JET R ENG AT HIGH IDLE AFTER ENG START. AFTER COM WITH MAINT, ACFT DEPARTED. DISPATCH TRIED TO STOP DEP FOR INCORRECT ISSUANCE OF MEL FOR PERFORMANCE LIMITATION CONSIDERATIONS FOR ABORT AT BUR WITH ENG AT HIGH IDLE. ENG FUNCTIONED NORMALLY. MEL WAS REMOVED AT FIRST LNDG AFTER BUR.
Narrative: ON IOE INSTRUCTIONAL FLT FOR A NEW FO. AFTER ENG START AT BUR, NOTICED HIGH IDLE ON R ENG. ALL OTHER PARAMETERS NORMAL. ELECTED TO TAXI CLR OF TERMINAL AREA AND PULL OFF AT RUNUP AREA TO ATTEMPT TO CLOSE BLEEDS IN ENG BY ADVANCING PWR. PHONE PATCH WITH MAINT CTL WAS MADE TO DISCUSS PROB AND ENRTE MEL RECEIVED. AS ACFT DEPARTED, DISPATCH TRIED TO STOP DEP FOR INCORRECT ISSUANCE OF MEL DUE TO PERFORMANCE LIMITATION CONSIDERATIONS FOR ABORT ON RWY AT BUR WITH ENG AT HIGH IDLE. ON SUBSEQUENT LNDG, ENG FUNCTIONED NORMALLY AS IT DID FOR NEXT LEG. MEL WAS REMOVED AT THE FIRST LNDG AFTER BUR. THE RELEVANT LESSON HERE IS AN OLD ONE OF HUMAN FACTORS: 1) HAD EVEN 2 OR 3 MINS MORE TIME ELAPSED BEFORE TKOF, DISPATCH WOULD HAVE CORRECTED MEL ISSUANCE. SO MOVE SLOWLY AND METHODICALLY, DO NOT ASSUME OR RUSH. 2) HAD I, AS CAPT, FINISHED MY REVIEW COMPLETELY OF PERFORMANCE INFO IN MEL BOOK, IE, NOT ASSUME IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT LNDG, I WOULD HAVE CAUGHT PERFORMANCE CAUTION FOR ABORT -- IE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OR BELIEVE, ALWAYS READ THE WHOLE PROC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.