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A VFR piper arrow popup aircraft in slc airspace requesting IFR clearance is changed to ZLC frequency for clearance. The ZLC controller changes the aircraft back to slc frequency due to aircraft's location within slc airspace. The aircraft is once again changed to ZLC frequency and an IFR clearance is issued after getting approval from slc.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 356110 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199612 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ogd |
| State Reference | UT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9500 msl bound upper : 9500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc tracon : slc |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 5 flight time total : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 356110 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
At XA40 nga X called center needing an IFR clearance. We got his position. He was well in slc approach's airspace. So we gave him approach's frequency. He came back about 4 mins later saying that approach had again sent him back to us. We asked if they sent him to us the first time and he said they had. He was now about 5 mi from entering our airspace. I called approach to ask for control and I asked why they had not given him a clearance. I was told because he was not in radar coverage and he did not have a flight plan on file. I told approach an aircraft did not need to be in radar coverage to get a clearance. She acted surprised. I got control, we gave him a clearance. Approach control's stubbornness to provide a service forced someone to fly at night in worsening conditions in mountainous terrain.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A VFR PIPER ARROW POPUP ACFT IN SLC AIRSPACE REQUESTING IFR CLRNC IS CHANGED TO ZLC FREQ FOR CLRNC. THE ZLC CTLR CHANGES THE ACFT BACK TO SLC FREQ DUE TO ACFT'S LOCATION WITHIN SLC AIRSPACE. THE ACFT IS ONCE AGAIN CHANGED TO ZLC FREQ AND AN IFR CLRNC IS ISSUED AFTER GETTING APPROVAL FROM SLC.
Narrative: AT XA40 NGA X CALLED CTR NEEDING AN IFR CLRNC. WE GOT HIS POS. HE WAS WELL IN SLC APCH'S AIRSPACE. SO WE GAVE HIM APCH'S FREQ. HE CAME BACK ABOUT 4 MINS LATER SAYING THAT APCH HAD AGAIN SENT HIM BACK TO US. WE ASKED IF THEY SENT HIM TO US THE FIRST TIME AND HE SAID THEY HAD. HE WAS NOW ABOUT 5 MI FROM ENTERING OUR AIRSPACE. I CALLED APCH TO ASK FOR CTL AND I ASKED WHY THEY HAD NOT GIVEN HIM A CLRNC. I WAS TOLD BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN RADAR COVERAGE AND HE DID NOT HAVE A FLT PLAN ON FILE. I TOLD APCH AN ACFT DID NOT NEED TO BE IN RADAR COVERAGE TO GET A CLRNC. SHE ACTED SURPRISED. I GOT CTL, WE GAVE HIM A CLRNC. APCH CTL'S STUBBORNNESS TO PROVIDE A SVC FORCED SOMEONE TO FLY AT NIGHT IN WORSENING CONDITIONS IN MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.