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A BE99 IFR at 7000 ft holding for a commuter BE02 to depart rut airport before starting approach claims that BE02 came within 500 ft and one half mi from him. The BE02 pilot stated that he was at 6000 ft. Supposedly, the BE02 departed after his void time had lapsed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 356998 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199612 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : rut |
| State Reference | VT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Airliner 99 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 356998 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While being vectored by ZBW, I had a very close near miss with a commuter. ZBW was unable to clear me for the lda runway 19 approach at rut due to departing traffic. ATC vectored me around, keeping me north of ira NDB at 7000 ft. While staying in radar contact, and being vectored around, I made radio contact with the aircraft on the ground (at rut), which was preparing for takeoff. The pilot was not very responsive to me, although I did tell him I was in IMC conditions, and on an IFR flight plan with ZBW, inbound to rut. Very shortly after this conversation with the other aircraft center cleared me direct to ira, and cleared lda runway 19 at rut. Center also said that the void time for the departing aircraft had elapsed. At that moment I saw the BE02 just 500 ft lower and 1/2 mi across from me. I was at 7000 ft MSL, and told center that I saw the BE02. The BE02 pilot told center that he had not seen me. The BE02 was advising center he was at 6000 ft and requesting 7000 ft, and also requesting his IFR clearance. Bad judgement to depart rut and fly into IMC, was made by the pilot who lacked experience. Possibly an RCA6 should be placed at rut, so pilots can communication with center directly, instead of talking with btv FSS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE99 IFR AT 7000 FT HOLDING FOR A COMMUTER BE02 TO DEPART RUT ARPT BEFORE STARTING APCH CLAIMS THAT BE02 CAME WITHIN 500 FT AND ONE HALF MI FROM HIM. THE BE02 PLT STATED THAT HE WAS AT 6000 FT. SUPPOSEDLY, THE BE02 DEPARTED AFTER HIS VOID TIME HAD LAPSED.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED BY ZBW, I HAD A VERY CLOSE NEAR MISS WITH A COMMUTER. ZBW WAS UNABLE TO CLR ME FOR THE LDA RWY 19 APCH AT RUT DUE TO DEPARTING TFC. ATC VECTORED ME AROUND, KEEPING ME N OF IRA NDB AT 7000 FT. WHILE STAYING IN RADAR CONTACT, AND BEING VECTORED AROUND, I MADE RADIO CONTACT WITH THE ACFT ON THE GND (AT RUT), WHICH WAS PREPARING FOR TKOF. THE PLT WAS NOT VERY RESPONSIVE TO ME, ALTHOUGH I DID TELL HIM I WAS IN IMC CONDITIONS, AND ON AN IFR FLT PLAN WITH ZBW, INBOUND TO RUT. VERY SHORTLY AFTER THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE OTHER ACFT CTR CLRED ME DIRECT TO IRA, AND CLRED LDA RWY 19 AT RUT. CTR ALSO SAID THAT THE VOID TIME FOR THE DEPARTING ACFT HAD ELAPSED. AT THAT MOMENT I SAW THE BE02 JUST 500 FT LOWER AND 1/2 MI ACROSS FROM ME. I WAS AT 7000 FT MSL, AND TOLD CTR THAT I SAW THE BE02. THE BE02 PLT TOLD CTR THAT HE HAD NOT SEEN ME. THE BE02 WAS ADVISING CTR HE WAS AT 6000 FT AND REQUESTING 7000 FT, AND ALSO REQUESTING HIS IFR CLRNC. BAD JUDGEMENT TO DEPART RUT AND FLY INTO IMC, WAS MADE BY THE PLT WHO LACKED EXPERIENCE. POSSIBLY AN RCA6 SHOULD BE PLACED AT RUT, SO PLTS CAN COM WITH CTR DIRECTLY, INSTEAD OF TALKING WITH BTV FSS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.