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Attributes | |
ACN | 358100 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bld |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : las |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 358100 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
During the descent into las, approach controller cleared us to 10000 ft from 12000 ft. A commuter aircraft was in front of us. We were overtaking the commuter. I went off frequency to get a gate assignment and was coming back on frequency when the clearance was issued. The first officer read back 10000 ft and confirmed it with me. I had the commuter airplane in sight and on TCASII. As we descended through 11000 ft, the controller asked what our assigned altitude was, and we confirmed 10000 ft. He sounded confused as he gave us a vector away from the commuter aircraft. The confusion could have been avoided if we would have been aware of the commuter's assigned altitude and our assigned altitude as being the same as we were overtaking the commuter. We could have then questioned the clearance and removed the confusion. I was aware that the commuter was there but I thought he had been cleared to, and was descending to a lower altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR B737-300 WITH DSCNT CLRNC FROM 12000 FT TO 10000 FT. CTLR QUESTIONED FLC AS TO WHAT THEIR ASSIGNED ALT WAS AND SOUNDED CONFUSED WHEN ISSUING A RADAR VECTOR AWAY FROM A COMMUTER ACFT THE ACR WAS OVERTAKING AND IMPLIED TO BE AT 10000 FT OR 11000 FT. NO LTSS.
Narrative: DURING THE DSCNT INTO LAS, APCH CTLR CLRED US TO 10000 FT FROM 12000 FT. A COMMUTER ACFT WAS IN FRONT OF US. WE WERE OVERTAKING THE COMMUTER. I WENT OFF FREQ TO GET A GATE ASSIGNMENT AND WAS COMING BACK ON FREQ WHEN THE CLRNC WAS ISSUED. THE FO READ BACK 10000 FT AND CONFIRMED IT WITH ME. I HAD THE COMMUTER AIRPLANE IN SIGHT AND ON TCASII. AS WE DSNDED THROUGH 11000 FT, THE CTLR ASKED WHAT OUR ASSIGNED ALT WAS, AND WE CONFIRMED 10000 FT. HE SOUNDED CONFUSED AS HE GAVE US A VECTOR AWAY FROM THE COMMUTER ACFT. THE CONFUSION COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE COMMUTER'S ASSIGNED ALT AND OUR ASSIGNED ALT AS BEING THE SAME AS WE WERE OVERTAKING THE COMMUTER. WE COULD HAVE THEN QUESTIONED THE CLRNC AND REMOVED THE CONFUSION. I WAS AWARE THAT THE COMMUTER WAS THERE BUT I THOUGHT HE HAD BEEN CLRED TO, AND WAS DSNDING TO A LOWER ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.