An air carrier B727-200 crew taxied past the hold short lines at mia's runway 9L. Error admitted.

Attributes
ACN	358307
Time
Date	199701
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mia
State Reference	FL
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	other other : other pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8600 flight time type : 4100
ASRS Report	358307
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Airport
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

It had been several months since this crew of a scheduled air carrier had been into mia. We all had been in and out of the airport many times in the recent past, however, in the interim period the hold short line for runway 9L had been relocated several hundred ft from the original location. We were in sequence behind an air carrier B767 which had been cleared for takeoff. We requested 2 mins wake turbulence separation behind the heavy jet. The tower responded, 'roger, taxi up to and hold short of runway 9L.' as we proceeded up to the old (familiar) hold short point, we realized the old lines had been painted over, but were still highly visible. We realized that we needed to return to the proper hold short point. When questioned, the tower said our position was not a problem for aircraft taking off ahead of us, but was for aircraft landing. Clearly we should have seen and stopped at the proper hold short point, but there were several factors that lured us to the old hold short lines: 1) the new lines are very far from the runway, where you don't expect them to be. 2) there is no indication on the taxi chart or NOTAMS that indicate the lines had been relocated. 3) the tower used improper phraseology by telling us to taxi up to the runway, instead of simply saying 'hold short' which we were already doing. His phraseology enticed us to continue up to the runway past the hold short point. 4) the old hold short lines are still visible in the daytime, especially at that time in the afternoon with the sun in front of us and reflecting off the old lines. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter flies the B727-200 regularly into mia. The taxiway is concrete and the old hold short lines are painted gray but are still highly visible. There has been no change in this since the report. The crew made a 180 degree turn away from the old lines with concurrence of the ATCT. The reporter has heard nothing from the FAA on this. He will ask his air carrier to put a warning on the flight release to warn crews of the new line placement.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR B727-200 CREW TAXIED PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINES AT MIA'S RWY 9L. ERROR ADMITTED.

Narrative: IT HAD BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE THIS CREW OF A SCHEDULED ACR HAD BEEN INTO MIA. WE ALL HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE ARPT MANY TIMES IN THE RECENT PAST, HOWEVER, IN THE INTERIM PERIOD THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 9L HAD BEEN RELOCATED SEVERAL HUNDRED FT FROM THE ORIGINAL LOCATION. WE WERE IN SEQUENCE BEHIND AN ACR B767 WHICH HAD BEEN CLRED FOR TKOF. WE REQUESTED 2 MINS WAKE TURB SEPARATION BEHIND THE HVY JET. THE TWR RESPONDED, 'ROGER, TAXI UP TO AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 9L.' AS WE PROCEEDED UP TO THE OLD (FAMILIAR) HOLD SHORT POINT, WE REALIZED THE OLD LINES HAD BEEN PAINTED OVER, BUT WERE STILL HIGHLY VISIBLE. WE REALIZED THAT WE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE PROPER HOLD SHORT POINT. WHEN QUESTIONED, THE TWR SAID OUR POS WAS NOT A PROB FOR ACFT TAKING OFF AHEAD OF US, BUT WAS FOR ACFT LNDG. CLRLY WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN AND STOPPED AT THE PROPER HOLD SHORT POINT, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL FACTORS THAT LURED US TO THE OLD HOLD SHORT LINES: 1) THE NEW LINES ARE VERY FAR FROM THE RWY, WHERE YOU DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE. 2) THERE IS NO INDICATION ON THE TAXI CHART OR NOTAMS THAT INDICATE THE LINES HAD BEEN RELOCATED. 3) THE TWR USED IMPROPER PHRASEOLOGY BY TELLING US TO TAXI UP TO THE RWY, INSTEAD OF SIMPLY SAYING 'HOLD SHORT' WHICH WE WERE ALREADY DOING. HIS PHRASEOLOGY ENTICED US TO CONTINUE UP TO THE RWY PAST THE HOLD SHORT POINT. 4) THE OLD HOLD SHORT LINES ARE STILL VISIBLE IN THE DAYTIME, ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME IN THE AFTERNOON WITH THE SUN IN FRONT OF US AND REFLECTING OFF THE OLD LINES. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR FLIES THE B727-200 REGULARLY INTO MIA. THE TXWY IS CONCRETE AND THE OLD HOLD SHORT LINES ARE PAINTED GRAY BUT ARE STILL HIGHLY VISIBLE. THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN THIS SINCE THE RPT. THE CREW MADE A 180 DEG TURN AWAY FROM THE OLD LINES WITH CONCURRENCE OF THE ATCT. THE RPTR HAS HEARD NOTHING FROM THE FAA ON THIS. HE WILL ASK HIS ACR TO PUT A WARNING ON THE FLT RELEASE TO WARN CREWS OF THE NEW LINE PLACEMENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.