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Attributes | |
ACN | 358634 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : arb |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw tower : arb tower : stl |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 358634 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : vfr in imc inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I turned a student loose on a cross country from arb to alma and back. A front was southwest of fwa and sbn. I felt that the forecast for frontal passage at XD00 was pessimistic. With a XA00 am departure I thought the student would be back at XC30 am. I included a deviation to lansing in his signoff in case WX worsened. I did not check 18000 ft winds to see how fast the front was actually moving. I was in the run-up area when I heard the tower call the aircraft repeatedly. I inquired as to the problem. Apparently the student was lost and disoriented. After being turned over to detroit approach he descended out of radio contact. I took vectors to the student's position in hopes of visual contact to lead him home. I was vectored within 1 mi of his position and never saw him. Visibility was 1/2 to 3/4 of a mi. Between approach and I we talked the student home. 1) I will stress the importance of landing when facing deteriorating conditions. The student passed 3 airports while being forced lower. 2) I will look at 18000 ft winds when trying to gauge a front's speed. 3) spend more time on WX theory with solo cross country students.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STUDENT IN C152 BECAME DISORIENTED WHEN ENRTE WX DETERIORATES. ATC AND HIS INSTRUCTOR IN ANOTHER ACFT LEAD HIM HOME. THE STUDENT PREFLT BRIEFING BY HIS INSTRUCTOR WAS INCOMPLETE.
Narrative: I TURNED A STUDENT LOOSE ON A XCOUNTRY FROM ARB TO ALMA AND BACK. A FRONT WAS SW OF FWA AND SBN. I FELT THAT THE FORECAST FOR FRONTAL PASSAGE AT XD00 WAS PESSIMISTIC. WITH A XA00 AM DEP I THOUGHT THE STUDENT WOULD BE BACK AT XC30 AM. I INCLUDED A DEV TO LANSING IN HIS SIGNOFF IN CASE WX WORSENED. I DID NOT CHK 18000 FT WINDS TO SEE HOW FAST THE FRONT WAS ACTUALLY MOVING. I WAS IN THE RUN-UP AREA WHEN I HEARD THE TWR CALL THE ACFT REPEATEDLY. I INQUIRED AS TO THE PROB. APPARENTLY THE STUDENT WAS LOST AND DISORIENTED. AFTER BEING TURNED OVER TO DETROIT APCH HE DSNDED OUT OF RADIO CONTACT. I TOOK VECTORS TO THE STUDENT'S POS IN HOPES OF VISUAL CONTACT TO LEAD HIM HOME. I WAS VECTORED WITHIN 1 MI OF HIS POS AND NEVER SAW HIM. VISIBILITY WAS 1/2 TO 3/4 OF A MI. BTWN APCH AND I WE TALKED THE STUDENT HOME. 1) I WILL STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF LNDG WHEN FACING DETERIORATING CONDITIONS. THE STUDENT PASSED 3 ARPTS WHILE BEING FORCED LOWER. 2) I WILL LOOK AT 18000 FT WINDS WHEN TRYING TO GAUGE A FRONT'S SPD. 3) SPEND MORE TIME ON WX THEORY WITH SOLO XCOUNTRY STUDENTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.