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PIC of F100 requests longer runway account runway condition snow ice, braking condition fair poor.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 358877 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199701 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp tower : rdu |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing other |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 358877 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
ATC facility: msp approach control. Location: msp. WX reported at msp 170 degrees, 10 KTS, 1 1/4 mi visibility, sn br runway 11L/11R. Was assigned runway 11L (short runway) with braking reports of first half fair, second half poor. Due to my experience level in the aircraft I requested runway 22, a longer runway favoring wind. We were turned down and was told runway 11L was our runway. I then requested runway 11R (longer runway) and was told negative. I told them I could not accept runway 11L due to operational considerations due to the recent aircraft going off the end of slick runways. I felt the prudent and common sense runway choice was at least the longer runway. Was told negative that my runway was runway 11L. Declared an emergency first requesting runway 22 and after being informed runway 22 was closed was granted runway 11R (longer runway). Landing was uneventful and after taxiing clear of active requested if the crew needed to contact or submit paperwork. Was told by ground controller that this was not considered an emergency and no report was necessary. My personal view was that with my level of experience I was being pushed into a corner with a need for a longer runway which would have provided us with the extra margin of safety and should not have had to declare an emergency to get it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PIC OF F100 REQUESTS LONGER RWY ACCOUNT RWY CONDITION SNOW ICE, BRAKING CONDITION FAIR POOR.
Narrative: ATC FACILITY: MSP APCH CTL. LOCATION: MSP. WX RPTED AT MSP 170 DEGS, 10 KTS, 1 1/4 MI VISIBILITY, SN BR RWY 11L/11R. WAS ASSIGNED RWY 11L (SHORT RWY) WITH BRAKING RPTS OF FIRST HALF FAIR, SECOND HALF POOR. DUE TO MY EXPERIENCE LEVEL IN THE ACFT I REQUESTED RWY 22, A LONGER RWY FAVORING WIND. WE WERE TURNED DOWN AND WAS TOLD RWY 11L WAS OUR RWY. I THEN REQUESTED RWY 11R (LONGER RWY) AND WAS TOLD NEGATIVE. I TOLD THEM I COULD NOT ACCEPT RWY 11L DUE TO OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS DUE TO THE RECENT ACFT GOING OFF THE END OF SLICK RWYS. I FELT THE PRUDENT AND COMMON SENSE RWY CHOICE WAS AT LEAST THE LONGER RWY. WAS TOLD NEGATIVE THAT MY RWY WAS RWY 11L. DECLARED AN EMER FIRST REQUESTING RWY 22 AND AFTER BEING INFORMED RWY 22 WAS CLOSED WAS GRANTED RWY 11R (LONGER RWY). LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL AND AFTER TAXIING CLR OF ACTIVE REQUESTED IF THE CREW NEEDED TO CONTACT OR SUBMIT PAPERWORK. WAS TOLD BY GND CTLR THAT THIS WAS NOT CONSIDERED AN EMER AND NO RPT WAS NECESSARY. MY PERSONAL VIEW WAS THAT WITH MY LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE I WAS BEING PUSHED INTO A CORNER WITH A NEED FOR A LONGER RWY WHICH WOULD HAVE PROVIDED US WITH THE EXTRA MARGIN OF SAFETY AND SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO DECLARE AN EMER TO GET IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.