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Attributes | |
ACN | 358957 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dxo airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other landing : go around |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 20 |
ASRS Report | 358957 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were given minimal spacing on the aircraft landing in front of us. Approximately 4 mi and closing, we were configured to gear down, flaps 30 degrees at vga and had to do s-turns on final for additional spacing. The aircraft ahead did not clear the runway and we were sent around. We climbed to 4000 ft and turned to 180 degrees, then turned to 090 degrees with departure control. Speed was 210 KIAS, flaps 2 degrees, gear up. At this point some confusion developed over clearance. We thought we heard climb to 6000 ft, turn left 360 degrees. Several aircraft were stepping on each other's radio calls. We confirmed our clearance, and departure said 'tell you what -- just stay at 4000 ft and stay on 090 degree heading and slow to 160 KTS.' since I had already started to climb and turn, I reversed pitch and heading to descend back to 4000 ft, level off, roll out on heading. Power was now at idle. At this point, I failed to note airspeed decreasing. We started to get 'stick shaker.' both the first officer and I shoved power up and he asked, 'do you want flaps 15 degrees?' I said yes, thinking I had already asked for flaps 15 degrees. The stick shaker lasted about 2-3 seconds, airspeed recovered to 180-190 KTS and no further problems were encountered. We were vectored around for another ILS to runway 27R, with another go around as traffic was not clear of runway again. We went around to the north this time, declared 'minimum fuel' and landed without incident. Contributing factors: 1) confusion on our part over clearance. 2) confusion on ATC part as to what to do with us. (Runway 27L was now closed for braking action nil.) 3) lack of experience on my part. I should have delegated the first officer to fly the aircraft while my attention was being diverted by flying duties, worrying about fuel, alternates, time to decision fuel, etc. 4) lack of additional crew monitoring approach, airspds, etc, and backing up the PF by bringing decrease in airspeed to his (my) attention, etc.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT CAPT WITH VERY LITTLE TIME IN ACFT ALLOWS ACFT TO SLOW TO STICK SHAKER SPD. HE ADMITS HIS SHORTCOMINGS STATING THAT HE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE FO FLY DUE TO ALL THE DISTRS PRESENT ON THIS PARTICULAR FLT. RPTR WAS POSSIBLY RECEIVING IOE TRAINING.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN MINIMAL SPACING ON THE ACFT LNDG IN FRONT OF US. APPROX 4 MI AND CLOSING, WE WERE CONFIGURED TO GEAR DOWN, FLAPS 30 DEGS AT VGA AND HAD TO DO S-TURNS ON FINAL FOR ADDITIONAL SPACING. THE ACFT AHEAD DID NOT CLR THE RWY AND WE WERE SENT AROUND. WE CLBED TO 4000 FT AND TURNED TO 180 DEGS, THEN TURNED TO 090 DEGS WITH DEP CTL. SPD WAS 210 KIAS, FLAPS 2 DEGS, GEAR UP. AT THIS POINT SOME CONFUSION DEVELOPED OVER CLRNC. WE THOUGHT WE HEARD CLB TO 6000 FT, TURN L 360 DEGS. SEVERAL ACFT WERE STEPPING ON EACH OTHER'S RADIO CALLS. WE CONFIRMED OUR CLRNC, AND DEP SAID 'TELL YOU WHAT -- JUST STAY AT 4000 FT AND STAY ON 090 DEG HDG AND SLOW TO 160 KTS.' SINCE I HAD ALREADY STARTED TO CLB AND TURN, I REVERSED PITCH AND HDG TO DSND BACK TO 4000 FT, LEVEL OFF, ROLL OUT ON HDG. PWR WAS NOW AT IDLE. AT THIS POINT, I FAILED TO NOTE AIRSPD DECREASING. WE STARTED TO GET 'STICK SHAKER.' BOTH THE FO AND I SHOVED PWR UP AND HE ASKED, 'DO YOU WANT FLAPS 15 DEGS?' I SAID YES, THINKING I HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR FLAPS 15 DEGS. THE STICK SHAKER LASTED ABOUT 2-3 SECONDS, AIRSPD RECOVERED TO 180-190 KTS AND NO FURTHER PROBS WERE ENCOUNTERED. WE WERE VECTORED AROUND FOR ANOTHER ILS TO RWY 27R, WITH ANOTHER GAR AS TFC WAS NOT CLR OF RWY AGAIN. WE WENT AROUND TO THE N THIS TIME, DECLARED 'MINIMUM FUEL' AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) CONFUSION ON OUR PART OVER CLRNC. 2) CONFUSION ON ATC PART AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH US. (RWY 27L WAS NOW CLOSED FOR BRAKING ACTION NIL.) 3) LACK OF EXPERIENCE ON MY PART. I SHOULD HAVE DELEGATED THE FO TO FLY THE ACFT WHILE MY ATTN WAS BEING DIVERTED BY FLYING DUTIES, WORRYING ABOUT FUEL, ALTERNATES, TIME TO DECISION FUEL, ETC. 4) LACK OF ADDITIONAL CREW MONITORING APCH, AIRSPDS, ETC, AND BACKING UP THE PF BY BRINGING DECREASE IN AIRSPD TO HIS (MY) ATTN, ETC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.