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Attributes | |
ACN | 359541 |
Time | |
Date | 199702 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pza airport : sjo |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : mhtg artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-11 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 359541 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 60000 vertical : 1500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
At FL350, ride was continuous light to moderate chop. We were VMC. 40 DME south pza, I requested FL390 from cenamer. I was told to stand by briefly, then was cleared to FL390. At FL355, first officer noted target on TCASII 40 mi scale which popped up showing to call ATC to inform them of the conflict and to that we were returning to FL350. At 33 DME south of pza, ATC returned our call and asked for our DME. At this time we got visual on sbound traffic, an MD11 at FL370. Cenamer asked them for their DME (this is the first time we heard another aircraft on the frequency). He gave his position as 35 DME south (he had just passed us) and cenamer reclred us to FL390. The fact that first officer noted the traffic immediately as it popped up allowed us to keep separation before a TA or RA was triggered. TCASII saved the day on this occasion as I believe that this most likely would have resulted in a collision. Closure rate and lighting prevented us from contacting traffic visually until lateral separation had closed to approximately 10 mi even though we knew approximately where to look. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter notes that the speed brake handle on the B757 can obscure the top half of the TCASII display from a normal sitting position in the captain's seat. The reporter was the captain and was flying the aircraft. This is at least the third time that something like this has happened to him in central america, and panama has done this to him, also. There is no radar in this part of cenamer airspace. 'The controller's english was good, there was no problem there.' the reporter's air carrier is working on this problem and the reporter will call the FAA safety hotline.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MHTG MANUAL CTLR CLRED AN ACR B757 THROUGH THE ALT OF AN ONCOMING ACR MD11. THE RPTR'S TCASII SHOWED THE INCIPIENT PROB AND ALLOWED THE RPTR TO PREVENT A LOSS OF SEPARATION. OPERROR.
Narrative: AT FL350, RIDE WAS CONTINUOUS LIGHT TO MODERATE CHOP. WE WERE VMC. 40 DME S PZA, I REQUESTED FL390 FROM CENAMER. I WAS TOLD TO STAND BY BRIEFLY, THEN WAS CLRED TO FL390. AT FL355, FO NOTED TARGET ON TCASII 40 MI SCALE WHICH POPPED UP SHOWING TO CALL ATC TO INFORM THEM OF THE CONFLICT AND TO THAT WE WERE RETURNING TO FL350. AT 33 DME S OF PZA, ATC RETURNED OUR CALL AND ASKED FOR OUR DME. AT THIS TIME WE GOT VISUAL ON SBOUND TFC, AN MD11 AT FL370. CENAMER ASKED THEM FOR THEIR DME (THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD ANOTHER ACFT ON THE FREQ). HE GAVE HIS POS AS 35 DME S (HE HAD JUST PASSED US) AND CENAMER RECLRED US TO FL390. THE FACT THAT FO NOTED THE TFC IMMEDIATELY AS IT POPPED UP ALLOWED US TO KEEP SEPARATION BEFORE A TA OR RA WAS TRIGGERED. TCASII SAVED THE DAY ON THIS OCCASION AS I BELIEVE THAT THIS MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN A COLLISION. CLOSURE RATE AND LIGHTING PREVENTED US FROM CONTACTING TFC VISUALLY UNTIL LATERAL SEPARATION HAD CLOSED TO APPROX 10 MI EVEN THOUGH WE KNEW APPROX WHERE TO LOOK. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR NOTES THAT THE SPD BRAKE HANDLE ON THE B757 CAN OBSCURE THE TOP HALF OF THE TCASII DISPLAY FROM A NORMAL SITTING POS IN THE CAPT'S SEAT. THE RPTR WAS THE CAPT AND WAS FLYING THE ACFT. THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD TIME THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS HAPPENED TO HIM IN CENTRAL AMERICA, AND PANAMA HAS DONE THIS TO HIM, ALSO. THERE IS NO RADAR IN THIS PART OF CENAMER AIRSPACE. 'THE CTLR'S ENGLISH WAS GOOD, THERE WAS NO PROB THERE.' THE RPTR'S ACR IS WORKING ON THIS PROB AND THE RPTR WILL CALL THE FAA SAFETY HOTLINE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.