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ZJX ARTCC radar controller trying to assist a government T38 flight recover to X68 was unable to hand off aircraft to ZMA and couldn't get higher altitude for the flight. In attempting to keep the aircraft in his airspace, one T38 may have penetrated an adjacent sector's airspace without a pointout.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 360727 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199702 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : orl |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 39000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Talon |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 14 |
| ASRS Report | 360727 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
On the morning of feb/fri/97 I was working 4 government T38's inbound to X68 from over nepta intersection. I issued descent clrncs to FL270 and attempted to hand aircraft to R15 ocf sector. The low altitude sector refused to take the handoff. I had already tried to coordinate a higher altitude arrival with ZMA, they were unable. I had no other choice but to give the T38's vectors to remain in my airspace. One T38 may have got into somebody else's airspace without a pointout.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZJX ARTCC RADAR CTLR TRYING TO ASSIST A GOV T38 FLT RECOVER TO X68 WAS UNABLE TO HAND OFF ACFT TO ZMA AND COULDN'T GET HIGHER ALT FOR THE FLT. IN ATTEMPTING TO KEEP THE ACFT IN HIS AIRSPACE, ONE T38 MAY HAVE PENETRATED AN ADJACENT SECTOR'S AIRSPACE WITHOUT A POINTOUT.
Narrative: ON THE MORNING OF FEB/FRI/97 I WAS WORKING 4 GOV T38'S INBOUND TO X68 FROM OVER NEPTA INTXN. I ISSUED DSCNT CLRNCS TO FL270 AND ATTEMPTED TO HAND ACFT TO R15 OCF SECTOR. THE LOW ALT SECTOR REFUSED TO TAKE THE HDOF. I HAD ALREADY TRIED TO COORDINATE A HIGHER ALT ARR WITH ZMA, THEY WERE UNABLE. I HAD NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO GIVE THE T38'S VECTORS TO REMAIN IN MY AIRSPACE. ONE T38 MAY HAVE GOT INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S AIRSPACE WITHOUT A POINTOUT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.