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Attributes | |
ACN | 362090 |
Time | |
Date | 199702 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 500 agl bound upper : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 19500 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 362090 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 361657 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence other other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were cleared for the visual to runway 28L when we idented the preceding aircraft approaching runway 28R with the stipulation that we keep our speed at least 180 KTS to the bridge. On short final, our airspeed was obviously much faster than the preceding aircraft and we passed it about 1 mi from threshold at 300-500 ft of altitude. The other crew members were sure this was a parallel approach. I keyed the microphone to advise that our minimum speed as carrying us past the aircraft approaching runway 28R. There was no response from either the tower or the other aircraft. In hindsight, I should have taken over control of the aircraft and executed a go around to prevent our passing the other aircraft. Supplemental information from acn 361657: outside bridge, noticed we were gaining on B737, so put gear and flaps 35 degrees down (final flaps) and slowed to our approach speed of 148 KTS. By the time we realized we were still gaining and about to pass the B737 we were set with final gear and flaps for the landing and cleared to land runway 28L. Our only option would have been to make a go around at approximately 400 ft AGL. Recommendation: approach and tower advise faster and heavier aircraft on final (or about to turn final) of approach final speed of slower aircraft when on parallel approachs as early as possible. Controller can obtain this information from slower aircraft. Heavier and faster aircraft can then determine whether they can stay behind lighter and slower aircraft or will need to execute a go around at a much higher and safer altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PROX OF OTHER ACFT ON APCH PROC TO SFO ARPT. FLC CONCERN REGARDING PROX TO OTHER ACFT AND CLRNC INTERP. WAS IT A VISUAL APCH, A PARALLEL APCH OR A RESTR SUBJECT TO VISUAL BEING MAINTAINED ON OTHER ACFT?
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 28L WHEN WE IDENTED THE PRECEDING ACFT APCHING RWY 28R WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WE KEEP OUR SPD AT LEAST 180 KTS TO THE BRIDGE. ON SHORT FINAL, OUR AIRSPD WAS OBVIOUSLY MUCH FASTER THAN THE PRECEDING ACFT AND WE PASSED IT ABOUT 1 MI FROM THRESHOLD AT 300-500 FT OF ALT. THE OTHER CREW MEMBERS WERE SURE THIS WAS A PARALLEL APCH. I KEYED THE MIKE TO ADVISE THAT OUR MINIMUM SPD AS CARRYING US PAST THE ACFT APCHING RWY 28R. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM EITHER THE TWR OR THE OTHER ACFT. IN HINDSIGHT, I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OVER CTL OF THE ACFT AND EXECUTED A GAR TO PREVENT OUR PASSING THE OTHER ACFT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 361657: OUTSIDE BRIDGE, NOTICED WE WERE GAINING ON B737, SO PUT GEAR AND FLAPS 35 DEGS DOWN (FINAL FLAPS) AND SLOWED TO OUR APCH SPD OF 148 KTS. BY THE TIME WE REALIZED WE WERE STILL GAINING AND ABOUT TO PASS THE B737 WE WERE SET WITH FINAL GEAR AND FLAPS FOR THE LNDG AND CLRED TO LAND RWY 28L. OUR ONLY OPTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO MAKE A GAR AT APPROX 400 FT AGL. RECOMMENDATION: APCH AND TWR ADVISE FASTER AND HEAVIER ACFT ON FINAL (OR ABOUT TO TURN FINAL) OF APCH FINAL SPD OF SLOWER ACFT WHEN ON PARALLEL APCHS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. CTLR CAN OBTAIN THIS INFO FROM SLOWER ACFT. HEAVIER AND FASTER ACFT CAN THEN DETERMINE WHETHER THEY CAN STAY BEHIND LIGHTER AND SLOWER ACFT OR WILL NEED TO EXECUTE A GAR AT A MUCH HIGHER AND SAFER ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.