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Attributes | |
ACN | 365430 |
Time | |
Date | 199704 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 365430 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While talking to dtw approach, several aircraft with very similar call signs, were on the frequency -- air carrier X deb, air carrier Y ded, and air carrier Z deo. The controller rarely used the full call sign and was constantly confusing us. We answered one call (using our full call sign) for a 90 degree left turn and a descent to 6000 ft. Going through 8000 ft the controller questioned where we were going so I repeated our clearance. He then gave us a clearance back 90 degrees to the right and to maintain 8000 ft. I repeated the clearance and he said no, that was for air carrier Y ded. So we continued down toward 6000 ft while turning as originally assigned. He then asked why we were not turning right and maintaining 8000 ft. We climbed to 8000 ft and turned right to 90 degrees. If he had only used all of our full call signs, he would have not confused us or himself so much.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9-30 FLC ON FREQ WITH 3 SIMILAR SOUNDING CALL SIGNS. CTLR DOES NOT USE COMPLETE ACFT NUMBER WHICH CAUSES CONFUSION AND ACCEPTANCE OF WRONG CLRNC.
Narrative: WHILE TALKING TO DTW APCH, SEVERAL ACFT WITH VERY SIMILAR CALL SIGNS, WERE ON THE FREQ -- ACR X DEB, ACR Y DED, AND ACR Z DEO. THE CTLR RARELY USED THE FULL CALL SIGN AND WAS CONSTANTLY CONFUSING US. WE ANSWERED ONE CALL (USING OUR FULL CALL SIGN) FOR A 90 DEG L TURN AND A DSCNT TO 6000 FT. GOING THROUGH 8000 FT THE CTLR QUESTIONED WHERE WE WERE GOING SO I REPEATED OUR CLRNC. HE THEN GAVE US A CLRNC BACK 90 DEGS TO THE R AND TO MAINTAIN 8000 FT. I REPEATED THE CLRNC AND HE SAID NO, THAT WAS FOR ACR Y DED. SO WE CONTINUED DOWN TOWARD 6000 FT WHILE TURNING AS ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED. HE THEN ASKED WHY WE WERE NOT TURNING R AND MAINTAINING 8000 FT. WE CLBED TO 8000 FT AND TURNED R TO 90 DEGS. IF HE HAD ONLY USED ALL OF OUR FULL CALL SIGNS, HE WOULD HAVE NOT CONFUSED US OR HIMSELF SO MUCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.