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Sct lax coordination light on. SF34 departs lax climbing to 3000 ft vice 2000 ft reference coordination light and heading 270 degrees. Reporter states this did not ensure separation from smo departing runway 21 and that the 270 degree heading off lax should have been stopped. Reporter says TRACON management did not investigate the incident for possible loss of separation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 366945 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199704 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax airport : smo |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax tower : act |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Cheetah, Tiger, Traveler |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller military : 3 controller radar : 13 |
| ASRS Report | 366945 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
The AA5 departed smo airport's runway 21. On initial contact I radar idented the aircraft and turned them right to 260 degrees and climbed them to 5000 ft. The SF34 departed lax on a 270 degree heading climbing to 3000 ft. The 270 degree headings were 'stopped' for the smo departures and the restr light was illuminated. The restr light between lax tower and sct restricts all lax departures to 2000 ft. The unexpected heading of 270 degrees and altitude of 3000 ft on the SF34, placed the aircraft on a course that did not ensure separation from the smo departure. I immediately turned the smo departure further to the right (away from the SF34). At this time it is still unknown if separation was actually less than prescribed IFR separation. Sct management did not investigate this incident or possible loss of separation. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter said there is an agreement between smo tower and lax tower for coordination of smo departures -- metroliners type and above -- which requires smo to coordinate the release of these aircraft with lax. When lax approves a release, the runway 24 departures are held and the runway 25 departures are given a heading of 250 degrees vice 270 degrees. Reporter indicated the TRACON/lax tower coordination light requires the tower to restrict departures to 2000 ft for overflying VFR traffic when it is on. Since filing a union report and a ucr, reporter alleges the incident is now under investigation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SCT LAX COORD LIGHT ON. SF34 DEPARTS LAX CLBING TO 3000 FT VICE 2000 FT REF COORD LIGHT AND HDG 270 DEGS. RPTR STATES THIS DID NOT ENSURE SEPARATION FROM SMO DEPARTING RWY 21 AND THAT THE 270 DEG HDG OFF LAX SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED. RPTR SAYS TRACON MGMNT DID NOT INVESTIGATE THE INCIDENT FOR POSSIBLE LOSS OF SEPARATION.
Narrative: THE AA5 DEPARTED SMO ARPT'S RWY 21. ON INITIAL CONTACT I RADAR IDENTED THE ACFT AND TURNED THEM R TO 260 DEGS AND CLBED THEM TO 5000 FT. THE SF34 DEPARTED LAX ON A 270 DEG HDG CLBING TO 3000 FT. THE 270 DEG HDGS WERE 'STOPPED' FOR THE SMO DEPS AND THE RESTR LIGHT WAS ILLUMINATED. THE RESTR LIGHT BTWN LAX TWR AND SCT RESTRICTS ALL LAX DEPS TO 2000 FT. THE UNEXPECTED HDG OF 270 DEGS AND ALT OF 3000 FT ON THE SF34, PLACED THE ACFT ON A COURSE THAT DID NOT ENSURE SEPARATION FROM THE SMO DEP. I IMMEDIATELY TURNED THE SMO DEP FURTHER TO THE R (AWAY FROM THE SF34). AT THIS TIME IT IS STILL UNKNOWN IF SEPARATION WAS ACTUALLY LESS THAN PRESCRIBED IFR SEPARATION. SCT MGMNT DID NOT INVESTIGATE THIS INCIDENT OR POSSIBLE LOSS OF SEPARATION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR SAID THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BTWN SMO TWR AND LAX TWR FOR COORD OF SMO DEPS -- METROLINERS TYPE AND ABOVE -- WHICH REQUIRES SMO TO COORDINATE THE RELEASE OF THESE ACFT WITH LAX. WHEN LAX APPROVES A RELEASE, THE RWY 24 DEPS ARE HELD AND THE RWY 25 DEPS ARE GIVEN A HDG OF 250 DEGS VICE 270 DEGS. RPTR INDICATED THE TRACON/LAX TWR COORD LIGHT REQUIRES THE TWR TO RESTRICT DEPS TO 2000 FT FOR OVERFLYING VFR TFC WHEN IT IS ON. SINCE FILING A UNION RPT AND A UCR, RPTR ALLEGES THE INCIDENT IS NOW UNDER INVESTIGATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.