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Attributes | |
ACN | 367099 |
Time | |
Date | 199704 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : drk |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute airway : zab |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Trinidad TB-20 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 91 flight time total : 493 flight time type : 35 |
ASRS Report | 367099 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 300 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 367505 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
My student and I were on an IFR flight plan from prc-llb. At 6500 ft MSL over drk, ZAB had radar contact on me. When I was outbound on the drk 259 degree radial at about 4 DME, ZAB advised me of traffic (a trinidad) at 6 O'clock, 2 mi, 8500 ft and overtaking. I continued my climb through 8000 ft for 10000 ft. The trinidad was VFR also. Both the trinidad and I reported negative traffic. A few mins later, ZAB reported the traffic to me at 6 O'clock, 1/2 mi, 8500 ft, and overtaking. I reported negative traffic and told ZAB that I would not be able to see the trinidad because he was directly behind me. ZAB simply responded 'roger.' the trinidad was advised of my position and replied negative traffic. A few seconds later, I saw the trinidad pass directly over the top of me from my 7 O'clock to 10 O'clock position with no more than 100 ft vertical separation. My concern is that I was on an IFR flight plan, reported negative contact twice, and neither aircraft was issued instructions from the controller to obtain separation. After the trinidad passed over, I called ZAB and told them the trinidad passed over me at less than 100 ft and I wanted to 'report an near midair collision.' the controller stated, 'roger, I told you about the traffic both times. You can file the report on the ground.' I feel that contributing factors are ATC's limited radar coverage in the area, the large amount of training aircraft in the area of prescott and drake VOR, and ZAB's hazardous attitude to not want to be bothered providing traffic separation in the area. I know this attitude exists because on apr/xa/97, 4 days prior to this occurrence, I was on an IFR flight plan inbound to drk on V12 (same airway) at approximately 20 DME. I was beginning a descent into prescott (VFR) out of 11000 ft MSL. ZAB advised me of traffic at 12 O'clock, 6 mi, opposite direction and climbing. Neither the other aircraft nor I had visual contact of each other. When the controller reported 3 mi and still on a collision course, I asked for a right turn to avoid traffic. The controller told each of us to turn right 20 degrees. When I finally saw the aircraft pass off my left wing, we were at the same altitude, opposite direction, but had about 1 mi of horizontal separation. I was upset that I had to ask for the right turn. I feel ATC needs to take more precedence in issuing diversions to ensure traffic separation. It is still ATC's job to ensure IFR traffic separation in VFR conditions if the aircraft cannot be seen visually. I did file an near midair collision report with prescott FSS on apr/xb/97.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA CLBING ON AN IFR FLT PLAN WAS GIVEN TA TWICE ON A VFR TRINIDAD OVERTAKING FROM BEHIND. ARTCC CTLR ALSO GAVE TA TO THE TRINIDAD. NEITHER ACFT SAW THE OTHER UNTIL THE TRINIDAD PASSED OVERHEAD THE SMA. RPTR UPSET THAT ATC DID NOT GIVE ANY TURNS TO EITHER ACFT FOR AVOIDANCE.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM PRC-LLB. AT 6500 FT MSL OVER DRK, ZAB HAD RADAR CONTACT ON ME. WHEN I WAS OUTBOUND ON THE DRK 259 DEG RADIAL AT ABOUT 4 DME, ZAB ADVISED ME OF TFC (A TRINIDAD) AT 6 O'CLOCK, 2 MI, 8500 FT AND OVERTAKING. I CONTINUED MY CLB THROUGH 8000 FT FOR 10000 FT. THE TRINIDAD WAS VFR ALSO. BOTH THE TRINIDAD AND I RPTED NEGATIVE TFC. A FEW MINS LATER, ZAB RPTED THE TFC TO ME AT 6 O'CLOCK, 1/2 MI, 8500 FT, AND OVERTAKING. I RPTED NEGATIVE TFC AND TOLD ZAB THAT I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRINIDAD BECAUSE HE WAS DIRECTLY BEHIND ME. ZAB SIMPLY RESPONDED 'ROGER.' THE TRINIDAD WAS ADVISED OF MY POS AND REPLIED NEGATIVE TFC. A FEW SECONDS LATER, I SAW THE TRINIDAD PASS DIRECTLY OVER THE TOP OF ME FROM MY 7 O'CLOCK TO 10 O'CLOCK POS WITH NO MORE THAN 100 FT VERT SEPARATION. MY CONCERN IS THAT I WAS ON AN IFR FLT PLAN, RPTED NEGATIVE CONTACT TWICE, AND NEITHER ACFT WAS ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE CTLR TO OBTAIN SEPARATION. AFTER THE TRINIDAD PASSED OVER, I CALLED ZAB AND TOLD THEM THE TRINIDAD PASSED OVER ME AT LESS THAN 100 FT AND I WANTED TO 'RPT AN NMAC.' THE CTLR STATED, 'ROGER, I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE TFC BOTH TIMES. YOU CAN FILE THE RPT ON THE GND.' I FEEL THAT CONTRIBUTING FACTORS ARE ATC'S LIMITED RADAR COVERAGE IN THE AREA, THE LARGE AMOUNT OF TRAINING ACFT IN THE AREA OF PRESCOTT AND DRAKE VOR, AND ZAB'S HAZARDOUS ATTITUDE TO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED PROVIDING TFC SEPARATION IN THE AREA. I KNOW THIS ATTITUDE EXISTS BECAUSE ON APR/XA/97, 4 DAYS PRIOR TO THIS OCCURRENCE, I WAS ON AN IFR FLT PLAN INBOUND TO DRK ON V12 (SAME AIRWAY) AT APPROX 20 DME. I WAS BEGINNING A DSCNT INTO PRESCOTT (VFR) OUT OF 11000 FT MSL. ZAB ADVISED ME OF TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK, 6 MI, OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND CLBING. NEITHER THE OTHER ACFT NOR I HAD VISUAL CONTACT OF EACH OTHER. WHEN THE CTLR RPTED 3 MI AND STILL ON A COLLISION COURSE, I ASKED FOR A R TURN TO AVOID TFC. THE CTLR TOLD EACH OF US TO TURN R 20 DEGS. WHEN I FINALLY SAW THE ACFT PASS OFF MY L WING, WE WERE AT THE SAME ALT, OPPOSITE DIRECTION, BUT HAD ABOUT 1 MI OF HORIZ SEPARATION. I WAS UPSET THAT I HAD TO ASK FOR THE R TURN. I FEEL ATC NEEDS TO TAKE MORE PRECEDENCE IN ISSUING DIVERSIONS TO ENSURE TFC SEPARATION. IT IS STILL ATC'S JOB TO ENSURE IFR TFC SEPARATION IN VFR CONDITIONS IF THE ACFT CANNOT BE SEEN VISUALLY. I DID FILE AN NMAC RPT WITH PRESCOTT FSS ON APR/XB/97.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.