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Attributes | |
ACN | 367523 |
Time | |
Date | 199704 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : iad |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tracon : bwi tracon : dca |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 5200 |
ASRS Report | 367523 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were en route lga to iad, when ZNY attempted a handoff to bwi approach, and was unable. ZNY terminated VFR advisories, told us to squawk 1200, without offering a frequency. When we requested a frequency to contact bwi approach, he ignored us. We asked again, and he again ignored us. My guess is he was trying to do a favor for bwi approach by not giving us the frequency to 'hassle' them. (As it turns out, we later spoke to bwi approach, and bwi was expecting us, they thought we had chosen not to talk to them!) as we were unprepared, and unfamiliar with the approach frequencys, we leveled off at 10000 ft to stay outside of class B, while we looked for a good frequency. As we approached the aml VOR located on iad airport, within 26 mi we began our descent out of 10000 ft, using our best guess estimate that we were clear of class B airspace. Through 7000 ft we finally got to the correct approach controller for iad, and from there proceeded without incident. After we landed, we were told to call bwi approach. In our phone conversation, the approach supervisor was very nice, explained we had entered class B, and wanted to know what had happened.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE02 ACFT ON VFR FLT PLAN. CTR CTLR TERMINATED VFR ADVISORIES AND DIDN'T PROVIDE FREQ FOR APCH CTLR. FLC WAS UNPREPARED FOR LACK OF ATC AID AND ENTERED CLASS B AIRSPACE BEFORE ESTABLISHING COM.
Narrative: WE WERE ENRTE LGA TO IAD, WHEN ZNY ATTEMPTED A HDOF TO BWI APCH, AND WAS UNABLE. ZNY TERMINATED VFR ADVISORIES, TOLD US TO SQUAWK 1200, WITHOUT OFFERING A FREQ. WHEN WE REQUESTED A FREQ TO CONTACT BWI APCH, HE IGNORED US. WE ASKED AGAIN, AND HE AGAIN IGNORED US. MY GUESS IS HE WAS TRYING TO DO A FAVOR FOR BWI APCH BY NOT GIVING US THE FREQ TO 'HASSLE' THEM. (AS IT TURNS OUT, WE LATER SPOKE TO BWI APCH, AND BWI WAS EXPECTING US, THEY THOUGHT WE HAD CHOSEN NOT TO TALK TO THEM!) AS WE WERE UNPREPARED, AND UNFAMILIAR WITH THE APCH FREQS, WE LEVELED OFF AT 10000 FT TO STAY OUTSIDE OF CLASS B, WHILE WE LOOKED FOR A GOOD FREQ. AS WE APCHED THE AML VOR LOCATED ON IAD ARPT, WITHIN 26 MI WE BEGAN OUR DSCNT OUT OF 10000 FT, USING OUR BEST GUESS ESTIMATE THAT WE WERE CLR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE. THROUGH 7000 FT WE FINALLY GOT TO THE CORRECT APCH CTLR FOR IAD, AND FROM THERE PROCEEDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. AFTER WE LANDED, WE WERE TOLD TO CALL BWI APCH. IN OUR PHONE CONVERSATION, THE APCH SUPVR WAS VERY NICE, EXPLAINED WE HAD ENTERED CLASS B, AND WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.