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Attributes | |
ACN | 368621 |
Time | |
Date | 199705 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sbp |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 200 agl bound upper : 300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340B |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial other other |
Route In Use | arrival other departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 7600 flight time type : 120 |
ASRS Report | 368621 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 368622 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency flight crew : overcame equipment problem other |
Consequence | faa : investigated other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
The first officer was flying. After a normal takeoff at 100% power the gear was retracted. At approximately 200 ft AGL, the left engine torque dropped suddenly accompanied by a loud hammering sound from the left engine. The torque dropped to 20% and the first officer began the memory items for engine failure after V1. Just before shutting down the left engine, the right engine began to lose power and a loud hammering noise began on that side. At this point we had climbed to 500 ft AGL. I left the left engine running as it was. The first officer began to look for a plane to land straight ahead. About 10 seconds later, the right engine began to develop power again. We opted to make a left turn and return to the airport. There was a fog bank at the departure end of runway 29 which limited our options. By downwind, both engines were producing power and we left the power and condition levers in their position. The landing was accomplished without further incident. Supplemental information from acn 368622: I called out 'landing straight ahead.' the captain slowly moved both power levers without any response from either engine. He turned the continuous torque on takeoff switch off with no response from either engine and turned it back on. The #1 engine began to come back on line and produced enough power to maintain altitude. Both engines began to run smooth at approximately mid-field downwind. I had sufficient airspeed, and power to climb without a power change. I believe there was a mechanical failure of both engines due to an interconnected system malfunction. Perhaps the continuous torque on takeoff. I am told that the engines are susceptible to compressor stalls. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter flies the saab 340B aircraft with general electric engines. The NTSB is involved in the investigation of this incident. Fuel contamination has been ruled out. There was a very severe temperature inversion on takeoff, with 9 degrees C on the ground and 22 degrees C at 500 ft which may have caused part of the problem. The air carrier has a 'derivative power program' for these engines wherein the overhaul period can be extended, but the engine must be operated at reduced thrust after a certain point. The #1 engine on this aircraft was on this program. The air carrier has had 6 engine failures in the last few yrs, 5 of which were on the 'derivative power program.' a broken wire was found in the throttle quadrant that indicates power lever angle. This may have had a bearing on the problem. The flight data recorder showed that, for about 14 seconds, #1 engine was producing zero torque and #2 about 40%, and both engines were stalling for about 30 seconds. Both engines were 'toasted.' when the #1 engine went to autocoarsen (the swedish term for autofeather), the automatic power reserve system worked perfectly and boosted the #2 engine's power to 107%, then the #2 engine began to fail. There has been no criticism of the flight crew to date.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR SAAB 340B LOST PWR ON BOTH ENGS AFTER TKOF.
Narrative: THE FO WAS FLYING. AFTER A NORMAL TKOF AT 100% PWR THE GEAR WAS RETRACTED. AT APPROX 200 FT AGL, THE L ENG TORQUE DROPPED SUDDENLY ACCOMPANIED BY A LOUD HAMMERING SOUND FROM THE L ENG. THE TORQUE DROPPED TO 20% AND THE FO BEGAN THE MEMORY ITEMS FOR ENG FAILURE AFTER V1. JUST BEFORE SHUTTING DOWN THE L ENG, THE R ENG BEGAN TO LOSE PWR AND A LOUD HAMMERING NOISE BEGAN ON THAT SIDE. AT THIS POINT WE HAD CLBED TO 500 FT AGL. I LEFT THE L ENG RUNNING AS IT WAS. THE FO BEGAN TO LOOK FOR A PLANE TO LAND STRAIGHT AHEAD. ABOUT 10 SECONDS LATER, THE R ENG BEGAN TO DEVELOP PWR AGAIN. WE OPTED TO MAKE A L TURN AND RETURN TO THE ARPT. THERE WAS A FOG BANK AT THE DEP END OF RWY 29 WHICH LIMITED OUR OPTIONS. BY DOWNWIND, BOTH ENGS WERE PRODUCING PWR AND WE LEFT THE PWR AND CONDITION LEVERS IN THEIR POS. THE LNDG WAS ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 368622: I CALLED OUT 'LNDG STRAIGHT AHEAD.' THE CAPT SLOWLY MOVED BOTH PWR LEVERS WITHOUT ANY RESPONSE FROM EITHER ENG. HE TURNED THE CONTINUOUS TORQUE ON TKOF SWITCH OFF WITH NO RESPONSE FROM EITHER ENG AND TURNED IT BACK ON. THE #1 ENG BEGAN TO COME BACK ON LINE AND PRODUCED ENOUGH PWR TO MAINTAIN ALT. BOTH ENGS BEGAN TO RUN SMOOTH AT APPROX MID-FIELD DOWNWIND. I HAD SUFFICIENT AIRSPD, AND PWR TO CLB WITHOUT A PWR CHANGE. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A MECHANICAL FAILURE OF BOTH ENGS DUE TO AN INTERCONNECTED SYS MALFUNCTION. PERHAPS THE CONTINUOUS TORQUE ON TKOF. I AM TOLD THAT THE ENGS ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO COMPRESSOR STALLS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR FLIES THE SAAB 340B ACFT WITH GENERAL ELECTRIC ENGS. THE NTSB IS INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION OF THIS INCIDENT. FUEL CONTAMINATION HAS BEEN RULED OUT. THERE WAS A VERY SEVERE TEMP INVERSION ON TKOF, WITH 9 DEGS C ON THE GND AND 22 DEGS C AT 500 FT WHICH MAY HAVE CAUSED PART OF THE PROB. THE ACR HAS A 'DERIVATIVE PWR PROGRAM' FOR THESE ENGS WHEREIN THE OVERHAUL PERIOD CAN BE EXTENDED, BUT THE ENG MUST BE OPERATED AT REDUCED THRUST AFTER A CERTAIN POINT. THE #1 ENG ON THIS ACFT WAS ON THIS PROGRAM. THE ACR HAS HAD 6 ENG FAILURES IN THE LAST FEW YRS, 5 OF WHICH WERE ON THE 'DERIVATIVE PWR PROGRAM.' A BROKEN WIRE WAS FOUND IN THE THROTTLE QUADRANT THAT INDICATES PWR LEVER ANGLE. THIS MAY HAVE HAD A BEARING ON THE PROB. THE FLT DATA RECORDER SHOWED THAT, FOR ABOUT 14 SECONDS, #1 ENG WAS PRODUCING ZERO TORQUE AND #2 ABOUT 40%, AND BOTH ENGS WERE STALLING FOR ABOUT 30 SECONDS. BOTH ENGS WERE 'TOASTED.' WHEN THE #1 ENG WENT TO AUTOCOARSEN (THE SWEDISH TERM FOR AUTOFEATHER), THE AUTOMATIC PWR RESERVE SYS WORKED PERFECTLY AND BOOSTED THE #2 ENG'S PWR TO 107%, THEN THE #2 ENG BEGAN TO FAIL. THERE HAS BEEN NO CRITICISM OF THE FLC TO DATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.