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Attributes | |
ACN | 369360 |
Time | |
Date | 199705 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : tpa airport : pie |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : tpa |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL600 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 285 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 369360 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On departure of our flight, a repositioning leg of a charter flight from pie to mco, we over-climbed an assigned altitude of 4000 ft by 300 ft. I gave control of the aircraft to the first officer, an extremely new pilot to the aircraft. Because there were no passenger and it was a very low traffic time of day, it was a good time for this new pilot to get some stick time. He unfortunately engaged the autoplt too late for it to capture the assigned altitude, and, even with a rather vigorous reminder from me, failed to react promptly enough to prevent the aircraft from climbing above our assigned altitude, eliciting a reminder and altimeter setting from ATC. There was no traffic conflict that we could determine, but the embarrassment factor was large. There is no apparent preventive measure for this situation other than better training and more experience. I have always attempted to allow new guys to learn as much as possible consistent with safety, but will, in the future, be much more reluctant to allow a relatively green 'fng' any degree of learning latitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FLC OF AN ATX CL60 CLBED ABOVE THEIR ASSIGNED ALT WHEN THE NEW FO ENGAGED THE AUTOPLT TOO LATE FOR IT TO PREVENT AN OVERSHOOT.
Narrative: ON DEP OF OUR FLT, A REPOSITIONING LEG OF A CHARTER FLT FROM PIE TO MCO, WE OVER-CLBED AN ASSIGNED ALT OF 4000 FT BY 300 FT. I GAVE CTL OF THE ACFT TO THE FO, AN EXTREMELY NEW PLT TO THE ACFT. BECAUSE THERE WERE NO PAX AND IT WAS A VERY LOW TFC TIME OF DAY, IT WAS A GOOD TIME FOR THIS NEW PLT TO GET SOME STICK TIME. HE UNFORTUNATELY ENGAGED THE AUTOPLT TOO LATE FOR IT TO CAPTURE THE ASSIGNED ALT, AND, EVEN WITH A RATHER VIGOROUS REMINDER FROM ME, FAILED TO REACT PROMPTLY ENOUGH TO PREVENT THE ACFT FROM CLBING ABOVE OUR ASSIGNED ALT, ELICITING A REMINDER AND ALTIMETER SETTING FROM ATC. THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT THAT WE COULD DETERMINE, BUT THE EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR WAS LARGE. THERE IS NO APPARENT PREVENTIVE MEASURE FOR THIS SIT OTHER THAN BETTER TRAINING AND MORE EXPERIENCE. I HAVE ALWAYS ATTEMPTED TO ALLOW NEW GUYS TO LEARN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE CONSISTENT WITH SAFETY, BUT WILL, IN THE FUTURE, BE MUCH MORE RELUCTANT TO ALLOW A RELATIVELY GREEN 'FNG' ANY DEG OF LEARNING LATITUDE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.