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Attributes | |
ACN | 370000 |
Time | |
Date | 199704 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : btr |
State Reference | LA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | ATR 42 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 370000 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Myself and mr xx another check airman/instructor at air carrier were being certified by the FAA (mr FAA) to give proficiency chkrides in the aircraft (ATR42). Upon entering the aircraft, mr FAA had questioned one of the applicants on operation of the emergency escape hatch in the cockpit. The applicant then told him how to open and was asked if he had ever actually opened it. The applicant's response was 'no,' which mr FAA had then said that we had incorrectly signed off the applicant's emergency drills as being completed, when in fact, they were not, since he did not have his hands on the emergency exit. Precisely at that time, me and mr xx had retrained (in front of mr FAA) and had the applicant actually open the exit and mr FAA was satisfied. However, he did question why we (the instructors) had just demonstrated the opening of the emergency escape hatch and had not actually had the students open it. We explained that we were doing exactly as we were instructed to do by our company, preceding this incident. Me and mr xx received a loi from the FAA concerning this matter which is enclosed, also enclosed is my response to the FAA. This method of instruction was in effect at air carrier for at least 4 yrs and we had only followed our company's instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATR42 CHK AIRMEN INSTRUCTORS HAD NOT HAD NEW HIRE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY OPEN THE COCKPIT EMER ESCAPE HATCH THEMSELVES DURING TRAINING. AN FAA INSPECTOR ASKED THEM ABOUT IT AND THEY THEN DEMONSTRATED THE PROC TO THE NEW HIRE, ONCE AGAIN, NOT REQUIRING HIM TO OPEN IT HIMSELF. THEY WERE CITED BY THE FAA WHO INDICATED THAT ALL STUDENTS SHOULD ACTUALLY OPEN THE HATCH.
Narrative: MYSELF AND MR XX ANOTHER CHK AIRMAN/INSTRUCTOR AT ACR WERE BEING CERTIFIED BY THE FAA (MR FAA) TO GIVE PROFICIENCY CHKRIDES IN THE ACFT (ATR42). UPON ENTERING THE ACFT, MR FAA HAD QUESTIONED ONE OF THE APPLICANTS ON OP OF THE EMER ESCAPE HATCH IN THE COCKPIT. THE APPLICANT THEN TOLD HIM HOW TO OPEN AND WAS ASKED IF HE HAD EVER ACTUALLY OPENED IT. THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE WAS 'NO,' WHICH MR FAA HAD THEN SAID THAT WE HAD INCORRECTLY SIGNED OFF THE APPLICANT'S EMER DRILLS AS BEING COMPLETED, WHEN IN FACT, THEY WERE NOT, SINCE HE DID NOT HAVE HIS HANDS ON THE EMER EXIT. PRECISELY AT THAT TIME, ME AND MR XX HAD RETRAINED (IN FRONT OF MR FAA) AND HAD THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY OPEN THE EXIT AND MR FAA WAS SATISFIED. HOWEVER, HE DID QUESTION WHY WE (THE INSTRUCTORS) HAD JUST DEMONSTRATED THE OPENING OF THE EMER ESCAPE HATCH AND HAD NOT ACTUALLY HAD THE STUDENTS OPEN IT. WE EXPLAINED THAT WE WERE DOING EXACTLY AS WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO BY OUR COMPANY, PRECEDING THIS INCIDENT. ME AND MR XX RECEIVED A LOI FROM THE FAA CONCERNING THIS MATTER WHICH IS ENCLOSED, ALSO ENCLOSED IS MY RESPONSE TO THE FAA. THIS METHOD OF INSTRUCTION WAS IN EFFECT AT ACR FOR AT LEAST 4 YRS AND WE HAD ONLY FOLLOWED OUR COMPANY'S INSTRUCTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.