37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 374606 |
Time | |
Date | 199707 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 30500 msl bound upper : 31000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zny |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 374606 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14700 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 374462 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 30000 vertical : 2000 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Aircraft experienced uncommanded roll at FL310. Shortly after this event ARTCC instructed crew to turn left 210 degrees and reintercept airway. Heading select mode selected and heading bug rotated to 210 degrees. However, as a result of crew distraction caused by uncommanded roll, LNAV mode not selected. Aircraft flew 5.2 NM past airway centerline. ATC advised of situation at time of occurrence. Flight continued without further incident. Division of attention lost as a result of uncommanded roll of B737-400. Roll caused by unknown reasons. Use of electronic items by passenger should be further researched by NTSB. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: this air carrier B737-400 first officer said that the initial indication of the wake was a slight buffeting that caused the flight crew to rechk the aircraft for a confign problem. Then the aircraft started a roll to the left while still on autoplt. The first officer, who was flying, disconnected the autoplt and started to roll the wings level and at this time he said that he saw the other aircraft above and in front of them. He said that initially the flight crew was not sure that wake was the cause of the roll. He said that the aircraft recovered well, however, as he rolled the aircraft he unloaded it aerodynamically by releasing back pressure and it lost 400-500 ft during the roll to wings level. Additionally, he noted that the mach had increased from .74 to .76 as he started his recovery, so he retarded the thrust levers. The reporter said that the captain and he expressed concern, thinking that it was a mechanical failure, as the aircraft rolled. But, based on the aircraft performance during the recovery, the lack of any yaw moment and the presence of the other aircraft in ideal wake conditions, the flight crew concluded that wake caused the roll. Their discussion of the event distraction them and the first officer overshot the intercept for the airway that they were to join. Supplemental information from acn 374462: clearance was to fly directly to biggy, join J75, climbing to FL310. At FL308 and before intercepting J75, aircraft experienced uncommanded roll to the left, 20-30 degrees bank. First officer was monitoring the autoplt and recovered. During recovery, aircraft descended to FL306, heading changed approximately 20 degrees to left. We climbed back to FL310 and began to troubleshoot event. ATC called to ask if we were turning yet to intercept J75 because we flew through the centerline of the airway and we were near a restr area. We turned to the right and intercepted J75. I checked the distance from airway centerline at beginning of correction to return on course. FMC showed 5.3 NM. ATC gave us a frequency change, and after checking in on the new sector, I returned to previous frequency (134.32) to advise the controller that we had experienced an uncommanded roll, and to ask what traffic we were following and distance. (Fokker, 5 mi ahead, but after reviewing event, I don't believe that wake turbulence was the cause of the roll.) other information: at time of event, 'B' autoplt engaged both flight directors on (first officer's flight director was master), autothrottles were on, VNAV on, LNAV on (I believe). During roll recovery, first officer inputs to control wheel put autoplt in control wheel steering roll and control wheel steering pitch. Autoplt was not disengaged, and autothrottles remained engaged. Other factors: TCASII on MEL, right elevator tab had been replaced with note in logbook that aircraft was restr to mach .75, a DC10 first officer occupied the jump seat. A pronounced buffet preceded and continued during roll event. No yaw was noted. I believe that the deviation from the route was the result of the uncommanded roll event and the subsequent recovery and troubleshooting. I did not immediately inform ATC of the event because of time to recover, time to determine aircraft status, ctlability and injuries (none), and change to another ATC frequency. I decided to continue flight destination (clt) for following reasons: after event, aircraft appeared normal, wanted to put more time and distance between roll event and approach and landing, did not want to return to ewr because earlier approach there had been bumpy with 92 degree temperature and winds 11 KTS, gusting to 16 KTS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B737 FLC HITS THE WAKE OF AN FK10 THAT CROSSED THEIR TRACK 2000 FT ABOVE AND 5 NM AHEAD OF THEM. THE B737 ROLLED TO THE L 20-30 DEGS BEFORE THE FO RECOVERED. DURING THE POST RECOVERY DISCUSSION THE FLC OVERSHOT THE AIRWAY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO INTERCEPT. THE ARTCC CTLR CORRECTED THEM.
Narrative: ACFT EXPERIENCED UNCOMMANDED ROLL AT FL310. SHORTLY AFTER THIS EVENT ARTCC INSTRUCTED CREW TO TURN L 210 DEGS AND REINTERCEPT AIRWAY. HDG SELECT MODE SELECTED AND HDG BUG ROTATED TO 210 DEGS. HOWEVER, AS A RESULT OF CREW DISTR CAUSED BY UNCOMMANDED ROLL, LNAV MODE NOT SELECTED. ACFT FLEW 5.2 NM PAST AIRWAY CTRLINE. ATC ADVISED OF SIT AT TIME OF OCCURRENCE. FLT CONTINUED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. DIVISION OF ATTN LOST AS A RESULT OF UNCOMMANDED ROLL OF B737-400. ROLL CAUSED BY UNKNOWN REASONS. USE OF ELECTRONIC ITEMS BY PAX SHOULD BE FURTHER RESEARCHED BY NTSB. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THIS ACR B737-400 FO SAID THAT THE INITIAL INDICATION OF THE WAKE WAS A SLIGHT BUFFETING THAT CAUSED THE FLC TO RECHK THE ACFT FOR A CONFIGN PROB. THEN THE ACFT STARTED A ROLL TO THE L WHILE STILL ON AUTOPLT. THE FO, WHO WAS FLYING, DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND STARTED TO ROLL THE WINGS LEVEL AND AT THIS TIME HE SAID THAT HE SAW THE OTHER ACFT ABOVE AND IN FRONT OF THEM. HE SAID THAT INITIALLY THE FLC WAS NOT SURE THAT WAKE WAS THE CAUSE OF THE ROLL. HE SAID THAT THE ACFT RECOVERED WELL, HOWEVER, AS HE ROLLED THE ACFT HE UNLOADED IT AERODYNAMICALLY BY RELEASING BACK PRESSURE AND IT LOST 400-500 FT DURING THE ROLL TO WINGS LEVEL. ADDITIONALLY, HE NOTED THAT THE MACH HAD INCREASED FROM .74 TO .76 AS HE STARTED HIS RECOVERY, SO HE RETARDED THE THRUST LEVERS. THE RPTR SAID THAT THE CAPT AND HE EXPRESSED CONCERN, THINKING THAT IT WAS A MECHANICAL FAILURE, AS THE ACFT ROLLED. BUT, BASED ON THE ACFT PERFORMANCE DURING THE RECOVERY, THE LACK OF ANY YAW MOMENT AND THE PRESENCE OF THE OTHER ACFT IN IDEAL WAKE CONDITIONS, THE FLC CONCLUDED THAT WAKE CAUSED THE ROLL. THEIR DISCUSSION OF THE EVENT DISTR THEM AND THE FO OVERSHOT THE INTERCEPT FOR THE AIRWAY THAT THEY WERE TO JOIN. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 374462: CLRNC WAS TO FLY DIRECTLY TO BIGGY, JOIN J75, CLBING TO FL310. AT FL308 AND BEFORE INTERCEPTING J75, ACFT EXPERIENCED UNCOMMANDED ROLL TO THE L, 20-30 DEGS BANK. FO WAS MONITORING THE AUTOPLT AND RECOVERED. DURING RECOVERY, ACFT DSNDED TO FL306, HDG CHANGED APPROX 20 DEGS TO L. WE CLBED BACK TO FL310 AND BEGAN TO TROUBLESHOOT EVENT. ATC CALLED TO ASK IF WE WERE TURNING YET TO INTERCEPT J75 BECAUSE WE FLEW THROUGH THE CTRLINE OF THE AIRWAY AND WE WERE NEAR A RESTR AREA. WE TURNED TO THE R AND INTERCEPTED J75. I CHKED THE DISTANCE FROM AIRWAY CTRLINE AT BEGINNING OF CORRECTION TO RETURN ON COURSE. FMC SHOWED 5.3 NM. ATC GAVE US A FREQ CHANGE, AND AFTER CHKING IN ON THE NEW SECTOR, I RETURNED TO PREVIOUS FREQ (134.32) TO ADVISE THE CTLR THAT WE HAD EXPERIENCED AN UNCOMMANDED ROLL, AND TO ASK WHAT TFC WE WERE FOLLOWING AND DISTANCE. (FOKKER, 5 MI AHEAD, BUT AFTER REVIEWING EVENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAKE TURB WAS THE CAUSE OF THE ROLL.) OTHER INFO: AT TIME OF EVENT, 'B' AUTOPLT ENGAGED BOTH FLT DIRECTORS ON (FO'S FLT DIRECTOR WAS MASTER), AUTOTHROTTLES WERE ON, VNAV ON, LNAV ON (I BELIEVE). DURING ROLL RECOVERY, FO INPUTS TO CTL WHEEL PUT AUTOPLT IN CTL WHEEL STEERING ROLL AND CTL WHEEL STEERING PITCH. AUTOPLT WAS NOT DISENGAGED, AND AUTOTHROTTLES REMAINED ENGAGED. OTHER FACTORS: TCASII ON MEL, R ELEVATOR TAB HAD BEEN REPLACED WITH NOTE IN LOGBOOK THAT ACFT WAS RESTR TO MACH .75, A DC10 FO OCCUPIED THE JUMP SEAT. A PRONOUNCED BUFFET PRECEDED AND CONTINUED DURING ROLL EVENT. NO YAW WAS NOTED. I BELIEVE THAT THE DEV FROM THE RTE WAS THE RESULT OF THE UNCOMMANDED ROLL EVENT AND THE SUBSEQUENT RECOVERY AND TROUBLESHOOTING. I DID NOT IMMEDIATELY INFORM ATC OF THE EVENT BECAUSE OF TIME TO RECOVER, TIME TO DETERMINE ACFT STATUS, CTLABILITY AND INJURIES (NONE), AND CHANGE TO ANOTHER ATC FREQ. I DECIDED TO CONTINUE FLT DEST (CLT) FOR FOLLOWING REASONS: AFTER EVENT, ACFT APPEARED NORMAL, WANTED TO PUT MORE TIME AND DISTANCE BTWN ROLL EVENT AND APCH AND LNDG, DID NOT WANT TO RETURN TO EWR BECAUSE EARLIER APCH THERE HAD BEEN BUMPY WITH 92 DEG TEMP AND WINDS 11 KTS, GUSTING TO 16 KTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.