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Attributes | |
ACN | 376700 |
Time | |
Date | 199708 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rhv |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : gfk |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna Single Turboprop Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 376700 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical conflict : nmac incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I called ground control for taxi. Discovered controller was also controling both runways and taxi on all frequencys, open microphone. Several attempts, then he responded to my request. The runways in use were oriented to the southeast (usual northwest). At the runup area, 1 plane was cleared for takeoff and I was cleared to cross the left and into position and hold on the right. As I started out of the runup area I discovered I was still on ground frequency and changed to tower which I think was when I missed the controller changing a previously cleared to land on the left over to the right runway. I then taxied into position and sat waiting for takeoff clearance. Then I heard the cessna say he was going around. The controller acknowledged and commented to another aircraft. He then came back to me and asked if my clearance hadn't been to hold short of the left. I said I understood him wrong if that was the case but had heard differently. He then cleared me to take off with no further comment. I think there were a lot of xmissions and corrections to instructions during this whole time period and a lot of confusion was evident both on the part of pilots flying and the controller. There were a lot of repeated instructions to various planes. For whatever the reason, and given the close operating confines of the rhv airport, I don't think the controllers should handle all frequencys in a manner that lets all pilots and pilots in transit hear all the communications normally separated. My time on the runway was a couple of seconds and the cessna was not lined up on the right runway nor in view as I taxied.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA GA PLT CROSSES L RWY FOR A 'POS AND HOLD' ON THE R. ACFT LNDG ON THE L WAS REASSIGNED THE R AND WENT AROUND BECAUSE OF THE RWY INCURSION. LCL CTLR ADVISED PLT RPTR THAT HE HAD BEEN TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF THE L RWY. RPTR CITES CTLR OPERATING TWR AND GND WITH ASSOCIATED FREQ CONGESTION SATURATION.
Narrative: I CALLED GND CTL FOR TAXI. DISCOVERED CTLR WAS ALSO CTLING BOTH RWYS AND TAXI ON ALL FREQS, OPEN MIKE. SEVERAL ATTEMPTS, THEN HE RESPONDED TO MY REQUEST. THE RWYS IN USE WERE ORIENTED TO THE SE (USUAL NW). AT THE RUNUP AREA, 1 PLANE WAS CLRED FOR TKOF AND I WAS CLRED TO CROSS THE L AND INTO POS AND HOLD ON THE R. AS I STARTED OUT OF THE RUNUP AREA I DISCOVERED I WAS STILL ON GND FREQ AND CHANGED TO TWR WHICH I THINK WAS WHEN I MISSED THE CTLR CHANGING A PREVIOUSLY CLRED TO LAND ON THE L OVER TO THE R RWY. I THEN TAXIED INTO POS AND SAT WAITING FOR TKOF CLRNC. THEN I HEARD THE CESSNA SAY HE WAS GOING AROUND. THE CTLR ACKNOWLEDGED AND COMMENTED TO ANOTHER ACFT. HE THEN CAME BACK TO ME AND ASKED IF MY CLRNC HADN'T BEEN TO HOLD SHORT OF THE L. I SAID I UNDERSTOOD HIM WRONG IF THAT WAS THE CASE BUT HAD HEARD DIFFERENTLY. HE THEN CLRED ME TO TAKE OFF WITH NO FURTHER COMMENT. I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF XMISSIONS AND CORRECTIONS TO INSTRUCTIONS DURING THIS WHOLE TIME PERIOD AND A LOT OF CONFUSION WAS EVIDENT BOTH ON THE PART OF PLTS FLYING AND THE CTLR. THERE WERE A LOT OF REPEATED INSTRUCTIONS TO VARIOUS PLANES. FOR WHATEVER THE REASON, AND GIVEN THE CLOSE OPERATING CONFINES OF THE RHV ARPT, I DON'T THINK THE CTLRS SHOULD HANDLE ALL FREQS IN A MANNER THAT LETS ALL PLTS AND PLTS IN TRANSIT HEAR ALL THE COMS NORMALLY SEPARATED. MY TIME ON THE RWY WAS A COUPLE OF SECONDS AND THE CESSNA WAS NOT LINED UP ON THE R RWY NOR IN VIEW AS I TAXIED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.