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B737 PIC complains of receiving a hold short of runway 7L at las while less than 1800 ft from that runway. Reporter was rolling out on runway 19L and equated the late clearance to a lahso operation. ATIS did not indicate lahso was in effect.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 376718 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199707 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 376718 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | aircraft : equipment problem dissipated |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Las winds were strong from the east so they were having to use runway 7L&right for arrs and departures. Approach control offered us an earlier arrival if we could use runway 19L. This afforded us a slight tailwind, but within company guidelines for landing with same, so we accepted. On rollout and well past taxiway west the tower controller asked us to hold short of runway 7L. Fortunately we were going slowly enough (though not at taxi speed) to comply and make a 180 degree turn to exit at taxiway B. The ATIS was not stating that lahso was in effect and the tailwind would have precluded its use, as well as the lack of vertical guidance to the runway. I believe the FAA is remiss in its duty to educate all pilots and controllers about the use of lahso and had this controller given us more warning about his desire for us to hold short, we could have used different techniques to improve safety margins. Less than 1800 ft is too short of notice.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 PIC COMPLAINS OF RECEIVING A HOLD SHORT OF RWY 7L AT LAS WHILE LESS THAN 1800 FT FROM THAT RWY. RPTR WAS ROLLING OUT ON RWY 19L AND EQUATED THE LATE CLRNC TO A LAHSO OP. ATIS DID NOT INDICATE LAHSO WAS IN EFFECT.
Narrative: LAS WINDS WERE STRONG FROM THE E SO THEY WERE HAVING TO USE RWY 7L&R FOR ARRS AND DEPS. APCH CTL OFFERED US AN EARLIER ARR IF WE COULD USE RWY 19L. THIS AFFORDED US A SLIGHT TAILWIND, BUT WITHIN COMPANY GUIDELINES FOR LNDG WITH SAME, SO WE ACCEPTED. ON ROLLOUT AND WELL PAST TXWY W THE TWR CTLR ASKED US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 7L. FORTUNATELY WE WERE GOING SLOWLY ENOUGH (THOUGH NOT AT TAXI SPD) TO COMPLY AND MAKE A 180 DEG TURN TO EXIT AT TXWY B. THE ATIS WAS NOT STATING THAT LAHSO WAS IN EFFECT AND THE TAILWIND WOULD HAVE PRECLUDED ITS USE, AS WELL AS THE LACK OF VERT GUIDANCE TO THE RWY. I BELIEVE THE FAA IS REMISS IN ITS DUTY TO EDUCATE ALL PLTS AND CTLRS ABOUT THE USE OF LAHSO AND HAD THIS CTLR GIVEN US MORE WARNING ABOUT HIS DESIRE FOR US TO HOLD SHORT, WE COULD HAVE USED DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES TO IMPROVE SAFETY MARGINS. LESS THAN 1800 FT IS TOO SHORT OF NOTICE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.