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Departure controller given pointout on government flight check aircraft and saw the aircraft leave the airspace to the east. A P3 climbing off ngu was given a northeast heading and climbed to 11000 ft. Shortly thereafter the departure controller saw the government small transport descending in his airspace without coordination. The P3 was descended, but not before loss of separation occurred.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 377243 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199708 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : phf airport : ngu |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4700 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : orf tower : elp |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Orion (P3) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller military : 5 controller radar : 9 |
| ASRS Report | 377243 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 300 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Spc X, a P3, departed ngu requesting filed route to nhz. Government small transport Y was on an 11 DME arc around ngu TACAN at 6000 ft. Small transport Y was pointed out to myself working orf departure radar control. Small transport Y exited my airspace to the east. I climbed spc X to 11000 ft on initial contact and turned the aircraft to a heading of 070 degrees. Within 1 min of initial contact with spc X, I observed small transport Y re-entering my airspace from the southeast, heading in a northwest direction. Small transport Y was being worked by orf arrival radar and was still at 6000 ft. I amended spc X to an altitude of 5000 ft. I then observed small transport Y descending through the flight path of spc X without my approval. (Small transport Y was in my airspace but being worked by another sector.) I issued a descent to spc X to 4000 ft, aircraft was already passing 4400 ft, and reached 4700 ft before descent to 4000 ft. I called aloud a query as to what small transport Y was doing and the controller of a third sector stated he was given control of small transport Y for descent into phf. The orf arrival controller gave control of small transport Y to another sector without my knowledge. Use of proper communications procedures would have prevented this occurrence.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DEP CTLR GIVEN POINTOUT ON GOV FLT CHK ACFT AND SAW THE ACFT LEAVE THE AIRSPACE TO THE E. A P3 CLBING OFF NGU WAS GIVEN A NE HDG AND CLBED TO 11000 FT. SHORTLY THEREAFTER THE DEP CTLR SAW THE GOV SMT DSNDING IN HIS AIRSPACE WITHOUT COORD. THE P3 WAS DSNDED, BUT NOT BEFORE LOSS OF SEPARATION OCCURRED.
Narrative: SPC X, A P3, DEPARTED NGU REQUESTING FILED RTE TO NHZ. GOV SMT Y WAS ON AN 11 DME ARC AROUND NGU TACAN AT 6000 FT. SMT Y WAS POINTED OUT TO MYSELF WORKING ORF DEP RADAR CTL. SMT Y EXITED MY AIRSPACE TO THE E. I CLBED SPC X TO 11000 FT ON INITIAL CONTACT AND TURNED THE ACFT TO A HDG OF 070 DEGS. WITHIN 1 MIN OF INITIAL CONTACT WITH SPC X, I OBSERVED SMT Y RE-ENTERING MY AIRSPACE FROM THE SE, HDG IN A NW DIRECTION. SMT Y WAS BEING WORKED BY ORF ARR RADAR AND WAS STILL AT 6000 FT. I AMENDED SPC X TO AN ALT OF 5000 FT. I THEN OBSERVED SMT Y DSNDING THROUGH THE FLT PATH OF SPC X WITHOUT MY APPROVAL. (SMT Y WAS IN MY AIRSPACE BUT BEING WORKED BY ANOTHER SECTOR.) I ISSUED A DSCNT TO SPC X TO 4000 FT, ACFT WAS ALREADY PASSING 4400 FT, AND REACHED 4700 FT BEFORE DSCNT TO 4000 FT. I CALLED ALOUD A QUERY AS TO WHAT SMT Y WAS DOING AND THE CTLR OF A THIRD SECTOR STATED HE WAS GIVEN CTL OF SMT Y FOR DSCNT INTO PHF. THE ORF ARR CTLR GAVE CTL OF SMT Y TO ANOTHER SECTOR WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE. USE OF PROPER COMS PROCS WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS OCCURRENCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.