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Attributes | |
ACN | 377250 |
Time | |
Date | 199708 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : nid |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6500 msl bound upper : 6500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tower : iad |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 38 flight time total : 2660 flight time type : 703 |
ASRS Report | 377250 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | other |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I called riverside FSS and received the recorded WX for a VFR flight from iyk to visibility. I then talked to a briefer to get NOTAMS and file. I did not ask for a 'standard briefing.' the only NOTAM given to me was to remain clear of navy lemoore from XC15 to XC45 +5 NM radius due to air show activity. I departed iyk at XA27 and climbed to 6500 ft. My route was through walker pass, lake isabella, porterville and visalia. After takeoff I tried to raise riv FSS 3 or 4 times on 122.4 without success. So I proceeded on course without opening my VFR flight plan. I did not request flight following from joshua approach since I didn't think they could keep me under radar contact through the mountains anyway. At nid 255 degree radial at 20 mi I noticed a sky crane with a water bucket well below me and about 1 mi south of my position. At this point I tuned in bfl ATIS and learned that a temporary flight restr was in effect for fire fighting operation. The tfr was located ehf 066 degree radial/48 DME up to and including 10000 ft MSL, 10 mi radius. I just flew through the tfr. I did not see any indication of fire during the flight. I thought tfr's are automatically given to a pilot for an area within 400 mi of the FSS as are other flight data center type NOTAMS. After I landed at visibility I called rancho murietta FSS and inquired about this situation. They said normally tfr's are given during a standard briefing, but that it is 'sort of on the pilot's shoulders' if only an abbreviated briefing is received. I don't think this is right when it comes to flight data center type NOTAMS, they should be given all the time (except for those in the class 2 publication). In the future I will ask specifically for NOTAM D, left, flight data center, and class 2's until such time that the process changes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN SMA PLT FLEW THROUGH TEMPORARY RESTR AIRSPACE WHILE ENRTE. HE COMPLAINS ABOUT HIS FSS BRIEFING BEING INCOMPLETE.
Narrative: I CALLED RIVERSIDE FSS AND RECEIVED THE RECORDED WX FOR A VFR FLT FROM IYK TO VIS. I THEN TALKED TO A BRIEFER TO GET NOTAMS AND FILE. I DID NOT ASK FOR A 'STANDARD BRIEFING.' THE ONLY NOTAM GIVEN TO ME WAS TO REMAIN CLR OF NAVY LEMOORE FROM XC15 TO XC45 +5 NM RADIUS DUE TO AIR SHOW ACTIVITY. I DEPARTED IYK AT XA27 AND CLBED TO 6500 FT. MY RTE WAS THROUGH WALKER PASS, LAKE ISABELLA, PORTERVILLE AND VISALIA. AFTER TKOF I TRIED TO RAISE RIV FSS 3 OR 4 TIMES ON 122.4 WITHOUT SUCCESS. SO I PROCEEDED ON COURSE WITHOUT OPENING MY VFR FLT PLAN. I DID NOT REQUEST FLT FOLLOWING FROM JOSHUA APCH SINCE I DIDN'T THINK THEY COULD KEEP ME UNDER RADAR CONTACT THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS ANYWAY. AT NID 255 DEG RADIAL AT 20 MI I NOTICED A SKY CRANE WITH A WATER BUCKET WELL BELOW ME AND ABOUT 1 MI S OF MY POS. AT THIS POINT I TUNED IN BFL ATIS AND LEARNED THAT A TEMPORARY FLT RESTR WAS IN EFFECT FOR FIRE FIGHTING OP. THE TFR WAS LOCATED EHF 066 DEG RADIAL/48 DME UP TO AND INCLUDING 10000 FT MSL, 10 MI RADIUS. I JUST FLEW THROUGH THE TFR. I DID NOT SEE ANY INDICATION OF FIRE DURING THE FLT. I THOUGHT TFR'S ARE AUTOMATICALLY GIVEN TO A PLT FOR AN AREA WITHIN 400 MI OF THE FSS AS ARE OTHER FLT DATA CTR TYPE NOTAMS. AFTER I LANDED AT VIS I CALLED RANCHO MURIETTA FSS AND INQUIRED ABOUT THIS SIT. THEY SAID NORMALLY TFR'S ARE GIVEN DURING A STANDARD BRIEFING, BUT THAT IT IS 'SORT OF ON THE PLT'S SHOULDERS' IF ONLY AN ABBREVIATED BRIEFING IS RECEIVED. I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO FLT DATA CTR TYPE NOTAMS, THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN ALL THE TIME (EXCEPT FOR THOSE IN THE CLASS 2 PUB). IN THE FUTURE I WILL ASK SPECIFICALLY FOR NOTAM D, L, FLT DATA CTR, AND CLASS 2'S UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE PROCESS CHANGES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.