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Attributes | |
ACN | 378014 |
Time | |
Date | 199708 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 1900 |
ASRS Report | 378014 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 378120 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were descending into miami, we were about 20 mi northeast of the airport passing 10000 ft when ATC gave us a clearance heading 250 degrees descend down to 2000 ft. I read back the clearance heading, 250 degrees down to 2000 ft, and the controller said roger. The captain heard the same clearance and heard me read back the clearance and soon after he was distracted by autothrottles disengaging. So he kept on descending down to 2000 ft and trying to correct the autothrottle system while I was monitoring the radio. The flight engineer did not hear the clearance because he was busy calculating approach speeds and setting his panel for landing. Around 4500 ft ATC queried us, flight say altitude. I responded 4500 ft down 2000 ft. He said negative the clearance was 8000 ft level off at 3000 ft. I responded, we were given a clearance of 2000 ft, I read it back and you acknowledged roger. The clearance seemed correct because we were almost on downwind around 10 mi from the airport. There were no aircraft on TCASII or any aircraft in the area, traffic was light. There were 'no conflicts with other traffic' and we landed without further incidents. I think when ATC gives us multiple clrncs, ie, heading 250 degrees down 2000 ft, we need to respond to each one individually so he knows we fully understand each individual clearance so when he says heading respond to the heading clearance and then after he has heard the correct heading then respond to the altitude clearance until he hears you respond to the correct clearance and please get these guys to slow down, they speak entirely way too fast. Thanks for your attention in this matter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A WDB OVERSHOT DSCNT ALT DUE TO COPYING THE WRONG CLRNC. ATC INTERVENED AND STOPPED THEM EARLY AND THEN IMMEDIATELY CLRED THEM FURTHER.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING INTO MIAMI, WE WERE ABOUT 20 MI NE OF THE ARPT PASSING 10000 FT WHEN ATC GAVE US A CLRNC HDG 250 DEGS DSND DOWN TO 2000 FT. I READ BACK THE CLRNC HDG, 250 DEGS DOWN TO 2000 FT, AND THE CTLR SAID ROGER. THE CAPT HEARD THE SAME CLRNC AND HEARD ME READ BACK THE CLRNC AND SOON AFTER HE WAS DISTRACTED BY AUTOTHROTTLES DISENGAGING. SO HE KEPT ON DSNDING DOWN TO 2000 FT AND TRYING TO CORRECT THE AUTOTHROTTLE SYS WHILE I WAS MONITORING THE RADIO. THE FE DID NOT HEAR THE CLRNC BECAUSE HE WAS BUSY CALCULATING APCH SPDS AND SETTING HIS PANEL FOR LNDG. AROUND 4500 FT ATC QUERIED US, FLT SAY ALT. I RESPONDED 4500 FT DOWN 2000 FT. HE SAID NEGATIVE THE CLRNC WAS 8000 FT LEVEL OFF AT 3000 FT. I RESPONDED, WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC OF 2000 FT, I READ IT BACK AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGED ROGER. THE CLRNC SEEMED CORRECT BECAUSE WE WERE ALMOST ON DOWNWIND AROUND 10 MI FROM THE ARPT. THERE WERE NO ACFT ON TCASII OR ANY ACFT IN THE AREA, TFC WAS LIGHT. THERE WERE 'NO CONFLICTS WITH OTHER TFC' AND WE LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENTS. I THINK WHEN ATC GIVES US MULTIPLE CLRNCS, IE, HDG 250 DEGS DOWN 2000 FT, WE NEED TO RESPOND TO EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY SO HE KNOWS WE FULLY UNDERSTAND EACH INDIVIDUAL CLRNC SO WHEN HE SAYS HEADING RESPOND TO THE HEADING CLRNC AND THEN AFTER HE HAS HEARD THE CORRECT HEADING THEN RESPOND TO THE ALT CLRNC UNTIL HE HEARS YOU RESPOND TO THE CORRECT CLRNC AND PLEASE GET THESE GUYS TO SLOW DOWN, THEY SPEAK ENTIRELY WAY TOO FAST. THANKS FOR YOUR ATTN IN THIS MATTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.