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Attributes | |
ACN | 378090 |
Time | |
Date | 199708 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fqf |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 19000 msl bound upper : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 378090 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared to maintain a heading (approximately 080 degrees) to intercept the tomsn 1 arrival for denver, and to cross tomsn intersection at FL190 and 250 KTS. I planned a high speed descent using a 2:1 formula (2 mi descent distance for each 1000 ft of altitude to lose). I assumed that our 45 degree intercept to the radial would give me about 10 extra mi to descend in addition to the DME readout, and we had a 30 KT tailwind. Still we 'ran short.' we were at FL190 by the crossing restr, but hadn't slowed to 250 KTS. I missed the speed by about 4 mi, but we were at about 350 KTS the entire descent, and 300 KTS (50 KTS too fast) crossing the intersection. ZDV asked us 'say speed' and I knew I had cut it way too close. 20/20 hindsight makes it obvious that a high speed descent to a point on an arrival with a speed restr gives both controller and pilot a distraction that neither needs. In the future, I will plan dscnts more conservatively when there is a crossing speed restr or a tailwind, especially when the distance 'off radial' is a guess/estimate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B727 FLC CROSSED TOMSN INTXN ABOVE THEIR ASSIGNED SPD RESTR. THE FLC WAS OPERATING WITHOUT AN FMS THAT COULD HAVE ASSISTED IN THEIR COMPUTATIONS FOR A DOG LEG TYPE OF INTERCEPT.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO MAINTAIN A HDG (APPROX 080 DEGS) TO INTERCEPT THE TOMSN 1 ARR FOR DENVER, AND TO CROSS TOMSN INTXN AT FL190 AND 250 KTS. I PLANNED A HIGH SPD DSCNT USING A 2:1 FORMULA (2 MI DSCNT DISTANCE FOR EACH 1000 FT OF ALT TO LOSE). I ASSUMED THAT OUR 45 DEG INTERCEPT TO THE RADIAL WOULD GIVE ME ABOUT 10 EXTRA MI TO DSND IN ADDITION TO THE DME READOUT, AND WE HAD A 30 KT TAILWIND. STILL WE 'RAN SHORT.' WE WERE AT FL190 BY THE XING RESTR, BUT HADN'T SLOWED TO 250 KTS. I MISSED THE SPD BY ABOUT 4 MI, BUT WE WERE AT ABOUT 350 KTS THE ENTIRE DSCNT, AND 300 KTS (50 KTS TOO FAST) XING THE INTXN. ZDV ASKED US 'SAY SPD' AND I KNEW I HAD CUT IT WAY TOO CLOSE. 20/20 HINDSIGHT MAKES IT OBVIOUS THAT A HIGH SPD DSCNT TO A POINT ON AN ARR WITH A SPD RESTR GIVES BOTH CTLR AND PLT A DISTR THAT NEITHER NEEDS. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL PLAN DSCNTS MORE CONSERVATIVELY WHEN THERE IS A XING SPD RESTR OR A TAILWIND, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DISTANCE 'OFF RADIAL' IS A GUESS/ESTIMATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.