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Attributes | |
ACN | 379370 |
Time | |
Date | 199709 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mod airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 65 flight time total : 13800 flight time type : 550 |
ASRS Report | 379370 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On sep/xa/97 at approximately XA00Z we were on the descent into sfo. We had filed and been cleared as filed from our departure airport ict. An IFR flight plan was filed as ict direct mod for the lockr 1 arrival into sfo. When we were past mod we were cleared to the cedes intersection. Looking at the arrival that we had been cleared we could not find the cedes intersection. We told approach that we could not find the intersection on the arrival plate and asked to please spell it. The controller spelled it for us and we put it in the FMS, and backed it up with the radial inbound. We were almost on top on the intersection when asked to proceed direct to cedes. When taxiing into the FBO at sfo we were asked to copy down a phone number and call when we shut down. We called the number and it was to bay approach. The captain was speaking to the supervisor at bay approach. When the captain got off the phone he said that the controller wanted to know why we were not on the mod arrival into sfo. The captain said that we were never given that arrival into sfo, that we were cleared as filed, which was the lockr 1 arrival. The captain asked if there were any conflicts and he was told no, but they just wanted to know what we had been cleared for. At no time do we recall we were given a different arrival or were asked to copy a different clearance. At no time did we have any TCASII alert and the controller was asked if there had been a conflict of any type and he stated not at any time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR FLC IN AN LTT, APPARENTLY, ARE NOT ON THE ASSIGNED ARR AND THUS ARE UNABLE TO LOCATE CEDES ON THEIR SID CHART. THE CTLR SUPVR LATER REVIEWS THE SIT WITH THEM.
Narrative: ON SEP/XA/97 AT APPROX XA00Z WE WERE ON THE DSCNT INTO SFO. WE HAD FILED AND BEEN CLRED AS FILED FROM OUR DEP ARPT ICT. AN IFR FLT PLAN WAS FILED AS ICT DIRECT MOD FOR THE LOCKR 1 ARR INTO SFO. WHEN WE WERE PAST MOD WE WERE CLRED TO THE CEDES INTXN. LOOKING AT THE ARR THAT WE HAD BEEN CLRED WE COULD NOT FIND THE CEDES INTXN. WE TOLD APCH THAT WE COULD NOT FIND THE INTXN ON THE ARR PLATE AND ASKED TO PLEASE SPELL IT. THE CTLR SPELLED IT FOR US AND WE PUT IT IN THE FMS, AND BACKED IT UP WITH THE RADIAL INBOUND. WE WERE ALMOST ON TOP ON THE INTXN WHEN ASKED TO PROCEED DIRECT TO CEDES. WHEN TAXIING INTO THE FBO AT SFO WE WERE ASKED TO COPY DOWN A PHONE NUMBER AND CALL WHEN WE SHUT DOWN. WE CALLED THE NUMBER AND IT WAS TO BAY APCH. THE CAPT WAS SPEAKING TO THE SUPVR AT BAY APCH. WHEN THE CAPT GOT OFF THE PHONE HE SAID THAT THE CTLR WANTED TO KNOW WHY WE WERE NOT ON THE MOD ARR INTO SFO. THE CAPT SAID THAT WE WERE NEVER GIVEN THAT ARR INTO SFO, THAT WE WERE CLRED AS FILED, WHICH WAS THE LOCKR 1 ARR. THE CAPT ASKED IF THERE WERE ANY CONFLICTS AND HE WAS TOLD NO, BUT THEY JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR. AT NO TIME DO WE RECALL WE WERE GIVEN A DIFFERENT ARR OR WERE ASKED TO COPY A DIFFERENT CLRNC. AT NO TIME DID WE HAVE ANY TCASII ALERT AND THE CTLR WAS ASKED IF THERE HAD BEEN A CONFLICT OF ANY TYPE AND HE STATED NOT AT ANY TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.