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Attributes | |
ACN | 380824 |
Time | |
Date | 199709 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pdz |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 23500 msl bound upper : 25000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 380824 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 30000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
My flight number was similar to another on the same frequency. We were on the KAYOH3 arrival to sna when we received a clearance to cross dawna intersection at 12000 ft and 250 KTS. I was working the radio and read back the clearance explicitly using company and flight number. We shortly thereafter received an amendment to cross dawna at 300 KTS or greater -- again I read it back using company and flight number. During rapid descent to make crossing, passing about 23500 ft, controller calls 'confirm level at 25000 ft,' I responded 'negative we were cleared to cross dawna at 12000 ft.' controller states 'that clearance was for another air carrier, maintain FL250,' then changes clearance quickly to 'maintain FL240.' I read back both clrncs and respond that we are sure the clearance to 12000 ft was for us. (Having flown this arrival many times I knew that we needed the clearance when it was issued or the restr would be tight.) controller voice changes and we are asked to contact ZLA by phone upon arrival. Phone contact with supervisor after arrival -- he indicates separation was lost and investigation is in progress, further, he says that both we and the other air carrier are clear of responsibility. (I assume that tapes had been pulled at this point, and we were shown to be correct.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LGT FLC REACT TO A CLRNC THAT WAS, APPARENTLY, GIVEN TO THEM IN ERROR THAT CAUSED A LTSS EVENT.
Narrative: MY FLT NUMBER WAS SIMILAR TO ANOTHER ON THE SAME FREQ. WE WERE ON THE KAYOH3 ARR TO SNA WHEN WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO CROSS DAWNA INTXN AT 12000 FT AND 250 KTS. I WAS WORKING THE RADIO AND READ BACK THE CLRNC EXPLICITLY USING COMPANY AND FLT NUMBER. WE SHORTLY THEREAFTER RECEIVED AN AMENDMENT TO CROSS DAWNA AT 300 KTS OR GREATER -- AGAIN I READ IT BACK USING COMPANY AND FLT NUMBER. DURING RAPID DSCNT TO MAKE XING, PASSING ABOUT 23500 FT, CTLR CALLS 'CONFIRM LEVEL AT 25000 FT,' I RESPONDED 'NEGATIVE WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS DAWNA AT 12000 FT.' CTLR STATES 'THAT CLRNC WAS FOR ANOTHER ACR, MAINTAIN FL250,' THEN CHANGES CLRNC QUICKLY TO 'MAINTAIN FL240.' I READ BACK BOTH CLRNCS AND RESPOND THAT WE ARE SURE THE CLRNC TO 12000 FT WAS FOR US. (HAVING FLOWN THIS ARR MANY TIMES I KNEW THAT WE NEEDED THE CLRNC WHEN IT WAS ISSUED OR THE RESTR WOULD BE TIGHT.) CTLR VOICE CHANGES AND WE ARE ASKED TO CONTACT ZLA BY PHONE UPON ARR. PHONE CONTACT WITH SUPVR AFTER ARR -- HE INDICATES SEPARATION WAS LOST AND INVESTIGATION IS IN PROGRESS, FURTHER, HE SAYS THAT BOTH WE AND THE OTHER ACR ARE CLR OF RESPONSIBILITY. (I ASSUME THAT TAPES HAD BEEN PULLED AT THIS POINT, AND WE WERE SHOWN TO BE CORRECT.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.