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Light transport commuter aircraft is told by controller to start his right turn when he is 100 ft AGL after takeoff. Reporter indicates he will start the turn when altitude permits. They get into a verbal harangue on the air.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 381336 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199709 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 100 agl bound upper : 100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 381336 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
After receiving takeoff clearance on runway 18R we started our takeoff roll. At the same time tower cleared a jet for takeoff on runway 18L to fly heading 185 degrees. Our clearance was to turn right heading 240 degrees. We barely had our wheels in the well when the local controller told us to start our right turn. I came back and said 'when altitude permits I will start my right turn.' he said 'I believe your altitude permits, start your turn.' I said 'when I reach 400 ft according to my book I will start the turn.' he said 'you read your book, I will control the airplanes, start your turn.' I said 'you don't control this airplane, I do and when I reach 400 ft I will start my turn, not before.' this goes to show the attitude and disrespect for turboprop aircraft at dfw airport. This is a continuing battle we have with the controllers. They need to change their attitude and treat us with respect as they would any jet aircraft arriving and departing dfw.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT COMMUTER ACFT IS TOLD BY CTLR TO START HIS R TURN WHEN HE IS 100 FT AGL AFTER TKOF. RPTR INDICATES HE WILL START THE TURN WHEN ALT PERMITS. THEY GET INTO A VERBAL HARANGUE ON THE AIR.
Narrative: AFTER RECEIVING TKOF CLRNC ON RWY 18R WE STARTED OUR TKOF ROLL. AT THE SAME TIME TWR CLRED A JET FOR TKOF ON RWY 18L TO FLY HDG 185 DEGS. OUR CLRNC WAS TO TURN R HDG 240 DEGS. WE BARELY HAD OUR WHEELS IN THE WELL WHEN THE LCL CTLR TOLD US TO START OUR R TURN. I CAME BACK AND SAID 'WHEN ALT PERMITS I WILL START MY R TURN.' HE SAID 'I BELIEVE YOUR ALT PERMITS, START YOUR TURN.' I SAID 'WHEN I REACH 400 FT ACCORDING TO MY BOOK I WILL START THE TURN.' HE SAID 'YOU READ YOUR BOOK, I WILL CTL THE AIRPLANES, START YOUR TURN.' I SAID 'YOU DON'T CTL THIS AIRPLANE, I DO AND WHEN I REACH 400 FT I WILL START MY TURN, NOT BEFORE.' THIS GOES TO SHOW THE ATTITUDE AND DISRESPECT FOR TURBOPROP ACFT AT DFW ARPT. THIS IS A CONTINUING BATTLE WE HAVE WITH THE CTLRS. THEY NEED TO CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDE AND TREAT US WITH RESPECT AS THEY WOULD ANY JET ACFT ARRIVING AND DEPARTING DFW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.