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Attributes | |
ACN | 382550 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 29j |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : clt |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 8440 flight time type : 2675 |
ASRS Report | 382550 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on an IFR flight into the rock hill airport, approaching from the east, and cleared for the visual approach by charlotte ATC. Active runway at rock hill was runway 20 with left traffic. As ATC switched us over to advisory frequency, we canceled our IFR flight plan. This is our usual procedure in good VMC, developed from operating out of a busy uncontrolled home airport to accommodate other IFR traffic waiting on the ground or for the approach behind us. Upon entering the downwind at 1500 ft AGL to maintain separation from slow traffic in the pattern and announcing our position, we heard but did not see a light aircraft call 'downwind about to turn base leg.' while attempting to visually locate this aircraft in front of us, to maintain proper separation, we extended our downwind leg and delayed our descent out of pattern altitude. Upon hearing the other aircraft report short final, we turned base and completed our approach and landing. After landing and seeing a large scale VFR chart on the wall in the FBO flight planning room, we discovered that by extending our downwind and delaying our descent, we may have inadvertently penetrated the edge of the charlotte class B airspace. While it is true that if we had waited to cancel our IFR flight plan on the ground, we would not be concerned with this issue, I believe having 'B' class airspace so close to a secondary airport traffic pattern is a set-up for high performance aircraft. There should be a 4-5 mi ring around such airports clearing the traffic pattern area for all levels of performance aircraft and allowing the necessary maneuvering room for various sits.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF BAE800A EXTENDS DOWNWIND AFTER CANCELING IFR FLT PLAN TO ASSURE SEPARATION FROM ACFT THEY ARE FOLLOWING ON APCH. THEY PROBABLY ENTERED CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: WE WERE ON AN IFR FLT INTO THE ROCK HILL ARPT, APCHING FROM THE E, AND CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH BY CHARLOTTE ATC. ACTIVE RWY AT ROCK HILL WAS RWY 20 WITH L TFC. AS ATC SWITCHED US OVER TO ADVISORY FREQ, WE CANCELED OUR IFR FLT PLAN. THIS IS OUR USUAL PROC IN GOOD VMC, DEVELOPED FROM OPERATING OUT OF A BUSY UNCTLED HOME ARPT TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER IFR TFC WAITING ON THE GND OR FOR THE APCH BEHIND US. UPON ENTERING THE DOWNWIND AT 1500 FT AGL TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION FROM SLOW TFC IN THE PATTERN AND ANNOUNCING OUR POS, WE HEARD BUT DID NOT SEE A LIGHT ACFT CALL 'DOWNWIND ABOUT TO TURN BASE LEG.' WHILE ATTEMPTING TO VISUALLY LOCATE THIS ACFT IN FRONT OF US, TO MAINTAIN PROPER SEPARATION, WE EXTENDED OUR DOWNWIND LEG AND DELAYED OUR DSCNT OUT OF PATTERN ALT. UPON HEARING THE OTHER ACFT RPT SHORT FINAL, WE TURNED BASE AND COMPLETED OUR APCH AND LNDG. AFTER LNDG AND SEEING A LARGE SCALE VFR CHART ON THE WALL IN THE FBO FLT PLANNING ROOM, WE DISCOVERED THAT BY EXTENDING OUR DOWNWIND AND DELAYING OUR DSCNT, WE MAY HAVE INADVERTENTLY PENETRATED THE EDGE OF THE CHARLOTTE CLASS B AIRSPACE. WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT IF WE HAD WAITED TO CANCEL OUR IFR FLT PLAN ON THE GND, WE WOULD NOT BE CONCERNED WITH THIS ISSUE, I BELIEVE HAVING 'B' CLASS AIRSPACE SO CLOSE TO A SECONDARY ARPT TFC PATTERN IS A SET-UP FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT. THERE SHOULD BE A 4-5 MI RING AROUND SUCH ARPTS CLRING THE TFC PATTERN AREA FOR ALL LEVELS OF PERFORMANCE ACFT AND ALLOWING THE NECESSARY MANEUVERING ROOM FOR VARIOUS SITS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.