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Captain of B727 delays takeoff behind an A300 when issued takeoff clearance at 2 pt 5 to 3 mi reference TCASII. Controller takes exception to this and an on air scolding is given to flight crew.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 382641 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199710 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mia |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1000 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mia artcc : zla |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 382641 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Location: mia runway 9L. Mia runway 9L wind 100 degrees 17 KTS. Cleared onto the runway 9L behind a departing heavy A300. As we were getting into position, tower cleared us for takeoff. TCASII showed 2.5-3 mi. Queried the controller and was admonished severely for not starting the takeoff. Informed us that she can 'anticipate' the 5 mi spacing. After a brief dialog, we had 5 mi separation on TCASII and took off. Controller was extremely distracting with condescending scolding during a critical phase of flight, 500-1000 ft AGL. Part 1 is very specific that 'controller may not reduce or waive these intervals, 2 mins, 5 mi.' 1) can they really decide where they can measure the 5 mi separation from? I'm not as concerned with our separation at 1000 ft as I am at the point of rotation. 2) the tower controller scolded us like a red- headed step-child. It was not only irritating, but it was an unnecessary distraction and was a safety problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF B727 DELAYS TKOF BEHIND AN A300 WHEN ISSUED TKOF CLRNC AT 2 PT 5 TO 3 MI REF TCASII. CTLR TAKES EXCEPTION TO THIS AND AN ON AIR SCOLDING IS GIVEN TO FLC.
Narrative: LOCATION: MIA RWY 9L. MIA RWY 9L WIND 100 DEGS 17 KTS. CLRED ONTO THE RWY 9L BEHIND A DEPARTING HVY A300. AS WE WERE GETTING INTO POS, TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF. TCASII SHOWED 2.5-3 MI. QUERIED THE CTLR AND WAS ADMONISHED SEVERELY FOR NOT STARTING THE TKOF. INFORMED US THAT SHE CAN 'ANTICIPATE' THE 5 MI SPACING. AFTER A BRIEF DIALOG, WE HAD 5 MI SEPARATION ON TCASII AND TOOK OFF. CTLR WAS EXTREMELY DISTRACTING WITH CONDESCENDING SCOLDING DURING A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT, 500-1000 FT AGL. PART 1 IS VERY SPECIFIC THAT 'CTLR MAY NOT REDUCE OR WAIVE THESE INTERVALS, 2 MINS, 5 MI.' 1) CAN THEY REALLY DECIDE WHERE THEY CAN MEASURE THE 5 MI SEPARATION FROM? I'M NOT AS CONCERNED WITH OUR SEPARATION AT 1000 FT AS I AM AT THE POINT OF ROTATION. 2) THE TWR CTLR SCOLDED US LIKE A RED- HEADED STEP-CHILD. IT WAS NOT ONLY IRRITATING, BUT IT WAS AN UNNECESSARY DISTR AND WAS A SAFETY PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.