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Attributes | |
ACN | 383234 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dqo airport : phl |
State Reference | DE |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Jetstream 32 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 279 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1350 |
ASRS Report | 383234 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While flying from iad to phl, phl approach told us to get out new castle approach plate and hold at the NDB as published, 7 mi legs. As the captain looked for the plates, he requested the frequency. Stand by was the reply. In order to head toward the fix the captain asked again. Again another stand by. Another pilot on the frequency stated the frequency. Unable to find the plates in his book, the captain searched the first officer's. While looking, the captain asked if the turns were standard. The reply was yes, hold south of the fix. Moments later, entering the hold, we asked for the proper spelling of the fix for the FMS, with no reply. After entering a hold on the 180 degree radial, right turns, the captain stated 'we do not have the new castle plates, they are not issued to us.' the ATC reply was 'just continue what you are doing' followed by climb instruction to 5000 ft MSL. Mins later, I believe I missed my turn inbound (unable to gauge 7 mi out DME). ATC told us to turn to a new heading and keep it tight. After that, ATC vectored us continuously. Nothing more was said about the hold.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A BA32 JETSTREAM WERE UNABLE TO FOLLOW THE PRESCRIBED AIR HOLDING PROC ASSIGNED BY ATC DUE TO NOT HAVING A CHART DEPICTING THAT HOLDING PATTERN. EVEN THOUGH ATC COULD NOT GIVE THEM THE EXACT HOLDING INFO, VECTOR HDGS WERE EVENTUALLY PROVIDED TO SATISFY ATC TFC NEEDS.
Narrative: WHILE FLYING FROM IAD TO PHL, PHL APCH TOLD US TO GET OUT NEW CASTLE APCH PLATE AND HOLD AT THE NDB AS PUBLISHED, 7 MI LEGS. AS THE CAPT LOOKED FOR THE PLATES, HE REQUESTED THE FREQ. STAND BY WAS THE REPLY. IN ORDER TO HEAD TOWARD THE FIX THE CAPT ASKED AGAIN. AGAIN ANOTHER STAND BY. ANOTHER PLT ON THE FREQ STATED THE FREQ. UNABLE TO FIND THE PLATES IN HIS BOOK, THE CAPT SEARCHED THE FO'S. WHILE LOOKING, THE CAPT ASKED IF THE TURNS WERE STANDARD. THE REPLY WAS YES, HOLD S OF THE FIX. MOMENTS LATER, ENTERING THE HOLD, WE ASKED FOR THE PROPER SPELLING OF THE FIX FOR THE FMS, WITH NO REPLY. AFTER ENTERING A HOLD ON THE 180 DEG RADIAL, R TURNS, THE CAPT STATED 'WE DO NOT HAVE THE NEW CASTLE PLATES, THEY ARE NOT ISSUED TO US.' THE ATC REPLY WAS 'JUST CONTINUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING' FOLLOWED BY CLB INSTRUCTION TO 5000 FT MSL. MINS LATER, I BELIEVE I MISSED MY TURN INBOUND (UNABLE TO GAUGE 7 MI OUT DME). ATC TOLD US TO TURN TO A NEW HDG AND KEEP IT TIGHT. AFTER THAT, ATC VECTORED US CONTINUOUSLY. NOTHING MORE WAS SAID ABOUT THE HOLD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.