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Attributes | |
ACN | 383660 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ont |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ont |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 383660 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
ASRS Report | 382574 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared to depart on the prado 5 departure, cleared into position for takeoff on runway 26L. Received amended flight altitude of 3000 ft MSL. I (captain) assumed the restr was for incoming traffic and that we should also not turn left at 1 DME from the airport. I stated to the first officer as I added takeoff power, 'climb to 3000 ft on runway heading?' he did not respond, and I assumed he agreed. We flew a normal noise abatement takeoff and flew straight ahead. Tower said only, 'cpr X contact departure.' departure said, 'cpr X, did you receive prado 5 with thermal transition?' we said, 'affirmative, but tower gave us an altitude of 3000 ft.' departure said, 'I don't care what tower told you, fly direct to pdz VOR and resume the published departure.' we complied and nothing else was said. There were no altitude violations, and we observed no TCASII traffic conflicts or ATC traffic conflict advisories. Next time, I won't make assumptions or accept silence from a new first officer as agreement to my previous question for clearance clarification. Holding our position or even taxiing clear of the active to clarify our intended route is better than launching with questions, as to what we were expected to do after takeoff!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A CPR JET FAILS TO TURN AFTER TKOF AS REQUIRED BY SID DEP DUE TO A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THE PUBLISHED CLRNC HAD BEEN AMENDED TO HOLD RWY HDG UNTIL REACHING THE ASSIGNED DEP ALT. ATC INTERVENED AND GOT RPTRS TURNED AND BACK ON TRACK.
Narrative: CLRED TO DEPART ON THE PRADO 5 DEP, CLRED INTO POS FOR TKOF ON RWY 26L. RECEIVED AMENDED FLT ALT OF 3000 FT MSL. I (CAPT) ASSUMED THE RESTR WAS FOR INCOMING TFC AND THAT WE SHOULD ALSO NOT TURN L AT 1 DME FROM THE ARPT. I STATED TO THE FO AS I ADDED TKOF PWR, 'CLB TO 3000 FT ON RWY HDG?' HE DID NOT RESPOND, AND I ASSUMED HE AGREED. WE FLEW A NORMAL NOISE ABATEMENT TKOF AND FLEW STRAIGHT AHEAD. TWR SAID ONLY, 'CPR X CONTACT DEP.' DEP SAID, 'CPR X, DID YOU RECEIVE PRADO 5 WITH THERMAL TRANSITION?' WE SAID, 'AFFIRMATIVE, BUT TWR GAVE US AN ALT OF 3000 FT.' DEP SAID, 'I DON'T CARE WHAT TWR TOLD YOU, FLY DIRECT TO PDZ VOR AND RESUME THE PUBLISHED DEP.' WE COMPLIED AND NOTHING ELSE WAS SAID. THERE WERE NO ALT VIOLATIONS, AND WE OBSERVED NO TCASII TFC CONFLICTS OR ATC TFC CONFLICT ADVISORIES. NEXT TIME, I WON'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS OR ACCEPT SILENCE FROM A NEW FO AS AGREEMENT TO MY PREVIOUS QUESTION FOR CLRNC CLARIFICATION. HOLDING OUR POS OR EVEN TAXIING CLR OF THE ACTIVE TO CLARIFY OUR INTENDED RTE IS BETTER THAN LAUNCHING WITH QUESTIONS, AS TO WHAT WE WERE EXPECTED TO DO AFTER TKOF!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.