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Attributes | |
ACN | 383796 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 9 agl bound upper : 9 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 10 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 383796 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While taxiing to runway 23L for takeoff, we were given clearance to taxi to runway 23L via taxiway west and runway 28. We stopped prior to runway 28 and reconfirmed that we were cleared to taxi to runway 23L via runway 28. I then taxied to the hold short line prior to runway 23L, and subsequently took off. Later, I was told by cle that they were issuing a pilot deviation report because I crossed the runway 23L hold line. I was told by cle that there is another hold short line on runway 28 that is further in. This more restrictive hold line is not marked on the commercial chart. Also, it needs to be painted brighter, and the old runway 23L hold line needs to be removed. Lastly, I think clearance should verbally alert pilots to this more restrictive hold line when giving clearance to it. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was flying a DC9-10 aircraft. He was cleared to taxi to runway 23L via runway 28 and taxiway west. As he taxied up to runway 28, he inquired of the tower if it was clear to taxi down runway 28, tower replied 'affirmative.' he taxied on runway 28 not expecting a hold short line that far from runway 23L. He never saw the correct hold short line, nor were there any lights to mark where a hold short line would be. After takeoff he was notified to contact FAA upon landing at destination. 2 days after this incident, reporter got new airport charts that better indicate where the hold short line is located. Although he didn't state with certainty, this new chart may have prevented him from crossing the hold short line. Although he was not aware of his crossing of the hold short line, he had crossed it by 1/2 the length of his aircraft -- about 60 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IN THE EARLY DAWN HRS, A DC9-10 CROSSES THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 23L AT CLE, OH.
Narrative: WHILE TAXIING TO RWY 23L FOR TKOF, WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO TAXI TO RWY 23L VIA TXWY W AND RWY 28. WE STOPPED PRIOR TO RWY 28 AND RECONFIRMED THAT WE WERE CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 23L VIA RWY 28. I THEN TAXIED TO THE HOLD SHORT LINE PRIOR TO RWY 23L, AND SUBSEQUENTLY TOOK OFF. LATER, I WAS TOLD BY CLE THAT THEY WERE ISSUING A PLTDEV RPT BECAUSE I CROSSED THE RWY 23L HOLD LINE. I WAS TOLD BY CLE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER HOLD SHORT LINE ON RWY 28 THAT IS FURTHER IN. THIS MORE RESTRICTIVE HOLD LINE IS NOT MARKED ON THE COMMERCIAL CHART. ALSO, IT NEEDS TO BE PAINTED BRIGHTER, AND THE OLD RWY 23L HOLD LINE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. LASTLY, I THINK CLRNC SHOULD VERBALLY ALERT PLTS TO THIS MORE RESTRICTIVE HOLD LINE WHEN GIVING CLRNC TO IT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS FLYING A DC9-10 ACFT. HE WAS CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 23L VIA RWY 28 AND TXWY W. AS HE TAXIED UP TO RWY 28, HE INQUIRED OF THE TWR IF IT WAS CLR TO TAXI DOWN RWY 28, TWR REPLIED 'AFFIRMATIVE.' HE TAXIED ON RWY 28 NOT EXPECTING A HOLD SHORT LINE THAT FAR FROM RWY 23L. HE NEVER SAW THE CORRECT HOLD SHORT LINE, NOR WERE THERE ANY LIGHTS TO MARK WHERE A HOLD SHORT LINE WOULD BE. AFTER TKOF HE WAS NOTIFIED TO CONTACT FAA UPON LNDG AT DEST. 2 DAYS AFTER THIS INCIDENT, RPTR GOT NEW ARPT CHARTS THAT BETTER INDICATE WHERE THE HOLD SHORT LINE IS LOCATED. ALTHOUGH HE DIDN'T STATE WITH CERTAINTY, THIS NEW CHART MAY HAVE PREVENTED HIM FROM XING THE HOLD SHORT LINE. ALTHOUGH HE WAS NOT AWARE OF HIS XING OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE, HE HAD CROSSED IT BY 1/2 THE LENGTH OF HIS ACFT -- ABOUT 60 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.