Flight crew of DC10 on loop 1 departure from lax is given a vector by ATC but when cleared back to the departure is unable to make the crossing restr.

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Attributes
ACN	386560
Time
Date	199711
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 5700 msl bound upper : 10000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000
ASRS Report	386560
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Takeoff runway 25L at lax, normal departure (loop 1) daggett transition. At approximately 6 DME and on approximately 225 degree radial lax (heading was 235 degrees) socal departure gave me a left turn to 070 degree heading. Normally it is 'turn left to comply with loop 1 restrs, ie, 10000 ft at the lax VOR.' at this time I thought the controller was giving me the turn early due to traffic or changing to the laxx 2 departure. I knew at 6 DME and 463000 pounds I couldn't make lax VOR at 10000 ft this close in. Climbing through 5200 ft the controller cleared me to turn left and resume the loop 1 departure. At 5700 ft I knew we could not comply with the 10 KT lax VOR restr. I advised socal immediately. He (controller) seemed 'miffed' but gave me a climb vector of 090 degrees for approximately 5 mi then left to 000 degrees to resume the daggett transition. Nothing else was said. Conclusion: I needed to use the full 10 NM allowed in order to meet the altitude restr at lax. Had I known what the controller was going to do, I would have told him I needed to extend due to weight and the vector would not have been necessary.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC OF DC10 ON LOOP 1 DEP FROM LAX IS GIVEN A VECTOR BY ATC BUT WHEN CLRED BACK TO THE DEP IS UNABLE TO MAKE THE XING RESTR.

Narrative: TKOF RWY 25L AT LAX, NORMAL DEP (LOOP 1) DAGGETT TRANSITION. AT APPROX 6 DME AND ON APPROX 225 DEG RADIAL LAX (HDG WAS 235 DEGS) SOCAL DEP GAVE ME A L TURN TO 070 DEG HDG. NORMALLY IT IS 'TURN L TO COMPLY WITH LOOP 1 RESTRS, IE, 10000 FT AT THE LAX VOR.' AT THIS TIME I THOUGHT THE CTLR WAS GIVING ME THE TURN EARLY DUE TO TFC OR CHANGING TO THE LAXX 2 DEP. I KNEW AT 6 DME AND 463000 LBS I COULDN'T MAKE LAX VOR AT 10000 FT THIS CLOSE IN. CLBING THROUGH 5200 FT THE CTLR CLRED ME TO TURN L AND RESUME THE LOOP 1 DEP. AT 5700 FT I KNEW WE COULD NOT COMPLY WITH THE 10 KT LAX VOR RESTR. I ADVISED SOCAL IMMEDIATELY. HE (CTLR) SEEMED 'MIFFED' BUT GAVE ME A CLB VECTOR OF 090 DEGS FOR APPROX 5 MI THEN L TO 000 DEGS TO RESUME THE DAGGETT TRANSITION. NOTHING ELSE WAS SAID. CONCLUSION: I NEEDED TO USE THE FULL 10 NM ALLOWED IN ORDER TO MEET THE ALT RESTR AT LAX. HAD I KNOWN WHAT THE CTLR WAS GOING TO DO, I WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM I NEEDED TO EXTEND DUE TO WT AND THE VECTOR WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.