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Attributes | |
ACN | 387260 |
Time | |
Date | 199711 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rnt |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 117 flight time total : 2265 flight time type : 220 |
ASRS Report | 387260 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | observation : passenger |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
It was a beautiful crystal clear night, and I was returning IFR from pae to rnt. Approach asked what approach I wanted and I requested the NDB runway 15 approach at rnt. I didn't have a safety pilot, but had a student pilot in the right seat as a passenger. It really is good practice to fly in the system, in VMC, without a hood, and looking for traffic. Anyway, I was given a descent and a vector that would intercept the course. When I queried approach about intercepting I was told 'uh, ok, intercept, but I might have to give you a 360 degree turn for traffic at bfi...uh, slow down to 90 KTS and it will probably be ok.' well, I was given a vector and hold. As I turned back to the inbound course, a lifeguard checked in and requested priority to boeing. Now I was told to expect additional holding because of 'a couple on final to boeing (bfi).' sensing that I was going to be holding all night, I suggested vectors to hakim (FAF) and the canceling of IFR, and was cleared to hakim. At hakim I was asked 'say intentions' and said, 'I'll cancel with the tower as soon as I change frequency.' I was told to accept a vector east or cancel now, which I did. I understand the lifeguard getting priority, but since I couldn't hear the other traffic to bfi (different frequency), I couldn't understand the poor service. The following morning I called seattle TRACON to better understand the situation. The TRACON manager was willing to help, but only if I gave him my name. I refused to do it, because I could have just called back in a day or so, and my name had nothing to do with the issue.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C182 PLT OF AN IFR TRAINING FLT WAS UNHAPPY WITH THE ATC SVC HE RECEIVED WHILE TRYING TO MAKE A PRACTICE APCH TO RNT. RPTR THINKS HE DID NOT GET THE PROPER SEQUENCING OR SVC FROM THE APCH CTLR. SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION WITH A SUPVR WAS ALSO NOT TO HIS LIKING.
Narrative: IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL CRYSTAL CLR NIGHT, AND I WAS RETURNING IFR FROM PAE TO RNT. APCH ASKED WHAT APCH I WANTED AND I REQUESTED THE NDB RWY 15 APCH AT RNT. I DIDN'T HAVE A SAFETY PLT, BUT HAD A STUDENT PLT IN THE R SEAT AS A PAX. IT REALLY IS GOOD PRACTICE TO FLY IN THE SYS, IN VMC, WITHOUT A HOOD, AND LOOKING FOR TFC. ANYWAY, I WAS GIVEN A DSCNT AND A VECTOR THAT WOULD INTERCEPT THE COURSE. WHEN I QUERIED APCH ABOUT INTERCEPTING I WAS TOLD 'UH, OK, INTERCEPT, BUT I MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE YOU A 360 DEG TURN FOR TFC AT BFI...UH, SLOW DOWN TO 90 KTS AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE OK.' WELL, I WAS GIVEN A VECTOR AND HOLD. AS I TURNED BACK TO THE INBOUND COURSE, A LIFEGUARD CHKED IN AND REQUESTED PRIORITY TO BOEING. NOW I WAS TOLD TO EXPECT ADDITIONAL HOLDING BECAUSE OF 'A COUPLE ON FINAL TO BOEING (BFI).' SENSING THAT I WAS GOING TO BE HOLDING ALL NIGHT, I SUGGESTED VECTORS TO HAKIM (FAF) AND THE CANCELING OF IFR, AND WAS CLRED TO HAKIM. AT HAKIM I WAS ASKED 'SAY INTENTIONS' AND SAID, 'I'LL CANCEL WITH THE TWR AS SOON AS I CHANGE FREQ.' I WAS TOLD TO ACCEPT A VECTOR E OR CANCEL NOW, WHICH I DID. I UNDERSTAND THE LIFEGUARD GETTING PRIORITY, BUT SINCE I COULDN'T HEAR THE OTHER TFC TO BFI (DIFFERENT FREQ), I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE POOR SVC. THE FOLLOWING MORNING I CALLED SEATTLE TRACON TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE SIT. THE TRACON MGR WAS WILLING TO HELP, BUT ONLY IF I GAVE HIM MY NAME. I REFUSED TO DO IT, BECAUSE I COULD HAVE JUST CALLED BACK IN A DAY OR SO, AND MY NAME HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.