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Attributes | |
ACN | 387902 |
Time | |
Date | 199712 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : osu |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1240 msl bound upper : 1600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : osu |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Baron 58/58TC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 387902 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Flying the GPS runway 27L and cleared to land. MDA 1240 ft MSL descending through 1400 ft tower calls out 'low altitude alert below MDA, check altitude.' I advise tower the GPS MDA is 1240 ft. He said it has been notamed 1600 ft for the past 30+ days. I had the latest change notice (cn nos) that did not indicate raised or higher minimums. I did not receive any NOTAM of an increase in minimums. Upon landing, I reviewed terminal procedures and called FSS, there was nothing indicating higher minimums. I called the tower to advise them and was told the matter would be brought to the attention of tower manager. I had complied with all FARS and in night IMC low to the ground it is very distracting to second guess altitudes when the tower calls out alert when nothing had been published. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter is a cpr pilot for an avionics manufacturer and this was the first time he has encountered problems with the NOTAMS system. He said that since this event he has located the appropriate NOTAM by using duats. The FSS specialists did not know about the minimums being raised. The govt charting personnel he spoke with were unfamiliar with the NOTAM also, but they were going to check with the tower. The captain alleged that the tower manager said that the minimums were raised after residents living under the approach course complained about the noise of the low flying aircraft. The captain said that he agrees with their concern and he feels that a crossing point should be placed between the 'ritoq' fix and the runway. His proposed redesign would require the aircraft to remain at 1600 ft until about 2 mi from the runway when accomplishing the approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR FLC IN A BE58 IS ADVISED OF A LOW ALT ALERT BY THE TWR CTLR WHILE HE WAS STILL MORE THAN 100 FT ABOVE MINIMUMS. HE DISCOVERS THAT THERE WAS A NOTAM OUT THAT RAISED THE MINIMUMS TO 1600 FT VERSUS 1240 FT.
Narrative: FLYING THE GPS RWY 27L AND CLRED TO LAND. MDA 1240 FT MSL DSNDING THROUGH 1400 FT TWR CALLS OUT 'LOW ALT ALERT BELOW MDA, CHK ALT.' I ADVISE TWR THE GPS MDA IS 1240 FT. HE SAID IT HAS BEEN NOTAMED 1600 FT FOR THE PAST 30+ DAYS. I HAD THE LATEST CHANGE NOTICE (CN NOS) THAT DID NOT INDICATE RAISED OR HIGHER MINIMUMS. I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NOTAM OF AN INCREASE IN MINIMUMS. UPON LNDG, I REVIEWED TERMINAL PROCS AND CALLED FSS, THERE WAS NOTHING INDICATING HIGHER MINIMUMS. I CALLED THE TWR TO ADVISE THEM AND WAS TOLD THE MATTER WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTN OF TWR MGR. I HAD COMPLIED WITH ALL FARS AND IN NIGHT IMC LOW TO THE GND IT IS VERY DISTRACTING TO SECOND GUESS ALTS WHEN THE TWR CALLS OUT ALERT WHEN NOTHING HAD BEEN PUBLISHED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR IS A CPR PLT FOR AN AVIONICS MANUFACTURER AND THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS ENCOUNTERED PROBS WITH THE NOTAMS SYS. HE SAID THAT SINCE THIS EVENT HE HAS LOCATED THE APPROPRIATE NOTAM BY USING DUATS. THE FSS SPECIALISTS DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE MINIMUMS BEING RAISED. THE GOVT CHARTING PERSONNEL HE SPOKE WITH WERE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE NOTAM ALSO, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO CHK WITH THE TWR. THE CAPT ALLEGED THAT THE TWR MGR SAID THAT THE MINIMUMS WERE RAISED AFTER RESIDENTS LIVING UNDER THE APCH COURSE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE OF THE LOW FLYING ACFT. THE CAPT SAID THAT HE AGREES WITH THEIR CONCERN AND HE FEELS THAT A XING POINT SHOULD BE PLACED BTWN THE 'RITOQ' FIX AND THE RWY. HIS PROPOSED REDESIGN WOULD REQUIRE THE ACFT TO REMAIN AT 1600 FT UNTIL ABOUT 2 MI FROM THE RWY WHEN ACCOMPLISHING THE APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.