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Attributes | |
ACN | 388899 |
Time | |
Date | 199712 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zny |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other other other |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute : other oceanic enroute airway : zny |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 388899 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 389022 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency none taken : unable other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Approaching 42n50w we noticed the left engine oil quantity decreasing. At 5 quarts I called maintenance/flight control on the satcom and discussed the problem with them. It was decided that an immediate return to jfk be made. We declared an emergency with ATC and received a clearance back to new york. During this time the engine oil quantity gradually went to zero. About 45 mins out, we started to get some fluctuation on oil pressure, then a gradual decrease. At top of descent (about 15-20 mins out) I came back on the throttles, at which time we received a low pressure light, EICAS message, and the oil pressure indicator turned red while still indicating 70-90 psi. The engine was left in idle for the remainder of the flight while oil temperature and other engine parameters were carefully monitored. Oil temperature remained cool and an uneventful landing was made on runway 31L. The engine was shut down after turning off the runway. The engine probably should have been shut down. However, there is considerable pressure to keep them running to maintain ETOPS certification. Also, our pom is not real clear on what collaborating evidence is if we get a low oil pressure indication. Is low oil quantity sufficient or should we wait for a rise in oil temperature. I also had the runway is close syndrome and my first officer's counseled me not to shut it down. Did I error? Yeah, I should have shut it down. But, the water looked so cold.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767ER ENRTE OCEANIC HAD LOSS OF OIL QUANTITY AND PRESSURE INDICATOR WENT INTO RED. FLC DECLARED EMER AND DIVERTED BACK TO DEP ARPT. ENG WAS SHUT DOWN AFTER LNDG.
Narrative: APCHING 42N50W WE NOTICED THE L ENG OIL QUANTITY DECREASING. AT 5 QUARTS I CALLED MAINT/FLT CTL ON THE SATCOM AND DISCUSSED THE PROB WITH THEM. IT WAS DECIDED THAT AN IMMEDIATE RETURN TO JFK BE MADE. WE DECLARED AN EMER WITH ATC AND RECEIVED A CLRNC BACK TO NEW YORK. DURING THIS TIME THE ENG OIL QUANTITY GRADUALLY WENT TO ZERO. ABOUT 45 MINS OUT, WE STARTED TO GET SOME FLUCTUATION ON OIL PRESSURE, THEN A GRADUAL DECREASE. AT TOP OF DSCNT (ABOUT 15-20 MINS OUT) I CAME BACK ON THE THROTTLES, AT WHICH TIME WE RECEIVED A LOW PRESSURE LIGHT, EICAS MESSAGE, AND THE OIL PRESSURE INDICATOR TURNED RED WHILE STILL INDICATING 70-90 PSI. THE ENG WAS LEFT IN IDLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WHILE OIL TEMP AND OTHER ENG PARAMETERS WERE CAREFULLY MONITORED. OIL TEMP REMAINED COOL AND AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG WAS MADE ON RWY 31L. THE ENG WAS SHUT DOWN AFTER TURNING OFF THE RWY. THE ENG PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN. HOWEVER, THERE IS CONSIDERABLE PRESSURE TO KEEP THEM RUNNING TO MAINTAIN ETOPS CERTIFICATION. ALSO, OUR POM IS NOT REAL CLR ON WHAT COLLABORATING EVIDENCE IS IF WE GET A LOW OIL PRESSURE INDICATION. IS LOW OIL QUANTITY SUFFICIENT OR SHOULD WE WAIT FOR A RISE IN OIL TEMP. I ALSO HAD THE RWY IS CLOSE SYNDROME AND MY FO'S COUNSELED ME NOT TO SHUT IT DOWN. DID I ERROR? YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE SHUT IT DOWN. BUT, THE WATER LOOKED SO COLD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.