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Attributes | |
ACN | 389213 |
Time | |
Date | 199709 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2400 msl bound upper : 2400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | PA-34-200 Seneca I |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 0 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 389213 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
New york approach control issued a clearance, fly heading 100 degrees to join VOR DME a approach course for teb airport. As we became established approach control began to call numerous targets (VFR) in area. Conditions were night, VMC, visibility approximately 15 mi. As the PNF, I was aggressively looking for traffic. Due to our altitude and ground lights, it was very hard to see traffic at all. The aircraft had all lights on (below FL180). At approximately 15 NM teb, the clearance cross wanes (teb 10.8 DME) at 3000 ft, cleared VOR DME a was issued. As the aircraft crossed wanes, approach control called traffic at 10-11 O'clock, altitude mid 2000's (2500 ft). Approach control told the VFR aircraft 'citation will be out 3000 ft for 2000 ft.' as the aircraft approached jaymo (teb 7.8 DME), approach control told us to descend to 2000 ft immediately. The VFR aircraft said 'I have the traffic in sight.' we were not in visual contact with the VFR aircraft. The aircraft was now passing through 2300 ft (teb 5.6 DME) when the captain (PF) pushed forward on the controls. At that instant, I saw an aircraft coming 90 degrees to our flight path, 100-150 ft above us (directly above), a blur of light. At that time, I informed new york approach control that we wished to report 'a near miss.' I do not believe that the conflicting VFR aircraft ever had us visually. The new york approach controller responded, 'I have been calling traffic (to you), he has you in sight,' then gave us the approach control telephone number. Captain called the program manager on duty. Captain stated that he thought the conflicting aircraft was a seneca. Recommendation: TCASII would have improved our awareness of the position of other aircraft in a high density airspace, and given us warning of possible conflict(south) and conflict resolution.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A CITATION DSNDING FOR A VOR DME APCH HAS NMAC WITH A TWIN ENG ACFT.
Narrative: NEW YORK APCH CTL ISSUED A CLRNC, FLY HDG 100 DEGS TO JOIN VOR DME A APCH COURSE FOR TEB ARPT. AS WE BECAME ESTABLISHED APCH CTL BEGAN TO CALL NUMEROUS TARGETS (VFR) IN AREA. CONDITIONS WERE NIGHT, VMC, VISIBILITY APPROX 15 MI. AS THE PNF, I WAS AGGRESSIVELY LOOKING FOR TFC. DUE TO OUR ALT AND GND LIGHTS, IT WAS VERY HARD TO SEE TFC AT ALL. THE ACFT HAD ALL LIGHTS ON (BELOW FL180). AT APPROX 15 NM TEB, THE CLRNC CROSS WANES (TEB 10.8 DME) AT 3000 FT, CLRED VOR DME A WAS ISSUED. AS THE ACFT CROSSED WANES, APCH CTL CALLED TFC AT 10-11 O'CLOCK, ALT MID 2000'S (2500 FT). APCH CTL TOLD THE VFR ACFT 'CITATION WILL BE OUT 3000 FT FOR 2000 FT.' AS THE ACFT APCHED JAYMO (TEB 7.8 DME), APCH CTL TOLD US TO DSND TO 2000 FT IMMEDIATELY. THE VFR ACFT SAID 'I HAVE THE TFC IN SIGHT.' WE WERE NOT IN VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE VFR ACFT. THE ACFT WAS NOW PASSING THROUGH 2300 FT (TEB 5.6 DME) WHEN THE CAPT (PF) PUSHED FORWARD ON THE CTLS. AT THAT INSTANT, I SAW AN ACFT COMING 90 DEGS TO OUR FLT PATH, 100-150 FT ABOVE US (DIRECTLY ABOVE), A BLUR OF LIGHT. AT THAT TIME, I INFORMED NEW YORK APCH CTL THAT WE WISHED TO RPT 'A NEAR MISS.' I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CONFLICTING VFR ACFT EVER HAD US VISUALLY. THE NEW YORK APCH CTLR RESPONDED, 'I HAVE BEEN CALLING TFC (TO YOU), HE HAS YOU IN SIGHT,' THEN GAVE US THE APCH CTL TELEPHONE NUMBER. CAPT CALLED THE PROGRAM MGR ON DUTY. CAPT STATED THAT HE THOUGHT THE CONFLICTING ACFT WAS A SENECA. RECOMMENDATION: TCASII WOULD HAVE IMPROVED OUR AWARENESS OF THE POS OF OTHER ACFT IN A HIGH DENSITY AIRSPACE, AND GIVEN US WARNING OF POSSIBLE CONFLICT(S) AND CONFLICT RESOLUTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.