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Attributes | |
ACN | 389483 |
Time | |
Date | 199712 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : stl tower : stl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : missed approach other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 14000 |
ASRS Report | 389483 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : declared emergency other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Upon descent into st louis, we noted that the temperature at 10000 ft was +11 degrees C. St louis WX was reported with cloud bases at approximately 600 ft and zero degree surface temperature. Stl approach control cleared us to maintain the heading off the vandalia arrival to intercept the ILS runway 24 for converging approachs. Upon localizer interception we entered cloud tops at approximately 3800 ft. Airframe ice equipment had been turned on well before entering the clouds with anticipation of possible icing. After passing the FAF inbound, due to a conflict, we were directed to break off the approach and climb to 3000 ft with subsequent vectoring for a left downwind for an ILS runway 30. Just prior to base vector, I advised approach control that 3000 ft would not be a good altitude for any period of time as airframe ice accumulation appeared to be rapid. On base vector I initiated the tail deice cycle noting approximately 3/4 inches of ice accumulation on the windshield wiper nut. Utilizing the autoplt with normal localizer and GS captures, and landing confign with flaps 40 degrees had been selected. Up to this point everything appeared normal until we received 3 aural trim annunciations and noting trim indicator passing 11.0 indices. I disconnected the autoplt with a very out of trim aircraft requiring vigorous forward yoke pressure and a subsequent sluggish, aircraft pitch-up to about 10 degrees. Aircraft handling characteristics were the same I would expect of an imminent stall, although we were still approximately reference speed plus 20-25 KTS. I initiated a go around maneuver directing flaps 15 degrees whereas the aircraft rapidly regained normal flying characteristics. We requested a climb to an altitude with warm air to remove all airframe ice. It subsequently took over 10 mins at +8 degrees C in clear air to clean the airframe of ice that we could see. A subsequent approach and landing were normal. Conclusions and questions: I have extensive experience with DC9 equipment in different airframe icing sits that have always appeared to be handled adequately. With this experience I'm not sure the MD80 is as capable and may have some serious anomalies when combined with autoplt usage. I am concerned that with what appears to have been ice contamination of the tail and continued autoplt use could have presented an unrecoverable situation, had we allowed the airspeed to decrease close to reference. In addition, crews that have been involved in traumatic experiences, such as this one, should evaluate their ability to continue their trip pairing. In this case the cockpit crew missed a subsequent clearance to cross at a specific altitude on the next leg due to their preoccupation with their experience. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that after initiating the go around maneuver with 15 degree flaps, they climbed back up to warmer air and remained there approximately 10 mins until all ice had dissipated from the airframe. The second approach was made without any further delay or accumulation of ice.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 CAPT EXPERIENCES AIRFRAME ICING DURING A LOW ALT ARR IN STL. THE HORIZ STABILIZER WAS AFFECTED ADVERSELY AND CAUSED AUTOPLT INPUTS THAT ROLLED THE STABILIZER TRIM UPWARDS PAST THE 11 PT 0 INDICES. A GAR WAS INITIATED TO CLB INTO WARMER AIR FOR DEICING PURPOSES.
Narrative: UPON DSCNT INTO ST LOUIS, WE NOTED THAT THE TEMP AT 10000 FT WAS +11 DEGS C. ST LOUIS WX WAS RPTED WITH CLOUD BASES AT APPROX 600 FT AND ZERO DEG SURFACE TEMP. STL APCH CTL CLRED US TO MAINTAIN THE HEADING OFF THE VANDALIA ARR TO INTERCEPT THE ILS RWY 24 FOR CONVERGING APCHS. UPON LOC INTERCEPTION WE ENTERED CLOUD TOPS AT APPROX 3800 FT. AIRFRAME ICE EQUIP HAD BEEN TURNED ON WELL BEFORE ENTERING THE CLOUDS WITH ANTICIPATION OF POSSIBLE ICING. AFTER PASSING THE FAF INBOUND, DUE TO A CONFLICT, WE WERE DIRECTED TO BREAK OFF THE APCH AND CLB TO 3000 FT WITH SUBSEQUENT VECTORING FOR A L DOWNWIND FOR AN ILS RWY 30. JUST PRIOR TO BASE VECTOR, I ADVISED APCH CTL THAT 3000 FT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD ALT FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME AS AIRFRAME ICE ACCUMULATION APPEARED TO BE RAPID. ON BASE VECTOR I INITIATED THE TAIL DEICE CYCLE NOTING APPROX 3/4 INCHES OF ICE ACCUMULATION ON THE WINDSHIELD WIPER NUT. UTILIZING THE AUTOPLT WITH NORMAL LOC AND GS CAPTURES, AND LNDG CONFIGN WITH FLAPS 40 DEGS HAD BEEN SELECTED. UP TO THIS POINT EVERYTHING APPEARED NORMAL UNTIL WE RECEIVED 3 AURAL TRIM ANNUNCIATIONS AND NOTING TRIM INDICATOR PASSING 11.0 INDICES. I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT WITH A VERY OUT OF TRIM ACFT REQUIRING VIGOROUS FORWARD YOKE PRESSURE AND A SUBSEQUENT SLUGGISH, ACFT PITCH-UP TO ABOUT 10 DEGS. ACFT HANDLING CHARACTERISTICS WERE THE SAME I WOULD EXPECT OF AN IMMINENT STALL, ALTHOUGH WE WERE STILL APPROX REF SPD PLUS 20-25 KTS. I INITIATED A GAR MANEUVER DIRECTING FLAPS 15 DEGS WHEREAS THE ACFT RAPIDLY REGAINED NORMAL FLYING CHARACTERISTICS. WE REQUESTED A CLB TO AN ALT WITH WARM AIR TO REMOVE ALL AIRFRAME ICE. IT SUBSEQUENTLY TOOK OVER 10 MINS AT +8 DEGS C IN CLR AIR TO CLEAN THE AIRFRAME OF ICE THAT WE COULD SEE. A SUBSEQUENT APCH AND LNDG WERE NORMAL. CONCLUSIONS AND QUESTIONS: I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH DC9 EQUIP IN DIFFERENT AIRFRAME ICING SITS THAT HAVE ALWAYS APPEARED TO BE HANDLED ADEQUATELY. WITH THIS EXPERIENCE I'M NOT SURE THE MD80 IS AS CAPABLE AND MAY HAVE SOME SERIOUS ANOMALIES WHEN COMBINED WITH AUTOPLT USAGE. I AM CONCERNED THAT WITH WHAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ICE CONTAMINATION OF THE TAIL AND CONTINUED AUTOPLT USE COULD HAVE PRESENTED AN UNRECOVERABLE SIT, HAD WE ALLOWED THE AIRSPD TO DECREASE CLOSE TO REF. IN ADDITION, CREWS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES, SUCH AS THIS ONE, SHOULD EVALUATE THEIR ABILITY TO CONTINUE THEIR TRIP PAIRING. IN THIS CASE THE COCKPIT CREW MISSED A SUBSEQUENT CLRNC TO CROSS AT A SPECIFIC ALT ON THE NEXT LEG DUE TO THEIR PREOCCUPATION WITH THEIR EXPERIENCE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT AFTER INITIATING THE GAR MANEUVER WITH 15 DEG FLAPS, THEY CLBED BACK UP TO WARMER AIR AND REMAINED THERE APPROX 10 MINS UNTIL ALL ICE HAD DISSIPATED FROM THE AIRFRAME. THE SECOND APCH WAS MADE WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DELAY OR ACCUMULATION OF ICE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.