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Attributes | |
ACN | 390954 |
Time | |
Date | 199801 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mxf |
State Reference | AL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mxf |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1300 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 390954 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Near midair collision occurred during an otherwise routine instrument training flight. After completing a VFR practice approach at 1a9 we turned east and called mxf approach to request a practice localizer approach at mxf. We were given a vector of 070 degrees at 2500 ft. At this time I heard at least 3 other aircraft being vectored to the same approach. Approach told us to climb and maintain 3000 ft. Student replied, 'out of 2500 ft for 3000 ft.' controller said, 'roger.' approach then told the lear to descend to 3000 ft. The lear was northbound being vectored for the approach. Controller told us traffic was passing west to east at 3 mi. We had started our climb and were at 2800 ft. I just caught sight of the lear when approach said 'nga X, I see you're climbing, traffic at 1 1/2 mi.' the lear was headed right at us in a left turn. I took control from the student and turned us away from the lear. The controller then tried to tell us that we were at the wrong altitude. We reminded him of our earlier direction to climb to 3000 ft. After it was sorted out, we completed the flight with no further complications. I don't know if the lear saw us. I'm not one to point fingers, but I believe the controller told the wrong aircraft to go to 3000 ft. Contributing to the situation were the other aircraft being vectored to the approach, the controller working aircraft to another airport (mgm), the controller's use of nonstandard terminology in describing the traffic to us, and the fact that we were in a training flight and were doing a lot of talking with the student. I should have picked up on the co-altitude assignment, but the lack of traffic advisory led me to believe the traffic was far away.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28 WITH INSTRUCTOR AND TRAINEE ON VFR PRACTICE APCH IS ASSIGNED A CLB FROM 2500 FT TO 3000 FT BY A BUSY APCH CTLR. SHORTLY THEREAFTER A MIL LR35 WAS ISSUED A DSCNT TO 3000 FT AND CAME IN CLOSE PROX TO THE PA28. THE RPTR BELIEVES THAT THAT CTLR ISSUED THE CLB TO 3000 FT TO THE WRONG ACFT.
Narrative: NMAC OCCURRED DURING AN OTHERWISE ROUTINE INST TRAINING FLT. AFTER COMPLETING A VFR PRACTICE APCH AT 1A9 WE TURNED E AND CALLED MXF APCH TO REQUEST A PRACTICE LOC APCH AT MXF. WE WERE GIVEN A VECTOR OF 070 DEGS AT 2500 FT. AT THIS TIME I HEARD AT LEAST 3 OTHER ACFT BEING VECTORED TO THE SAME APCH. APCH TOLD US TO CLB AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT. STUDENT REPLIED, 'OUT OF 2500 FT FOR 3000 FT.' CTLR SAID, 'ROGER.' APCH THEN TOLD THE LEAR TO DSND TO 3000 FT. THE LEAR WAS NBOUND BEING VECTORED FOR THE APCH. CTLR TOLD US TFC WAS PASSING W TO E AT 3 MI. WE HAD STARTED OUR CLB AND WERE AT 2800 FT. I JUST CAUGHT SIGHT OF THE LEAR WHEN APCH SAID 'NGA X, I SEE YOU'RE CLBING, TFC AT 1 1/2 MI.' THE LEAR WAS HEADED RIGHT AT US IN A L TURN. I TOOK CTL FROM THE STUDENT AND TURNED US AWAY FROM THE LEAR. THE CTLR THEN TRIED TO TELL US THAT WE WERE AT THE WRONG ALT. WE REMINDED HIM OF OUR EARLIER DIRECTION TO CLB TO 3000 FT. AFTER IT WAS SORTED OUT, WE COMPLETED THE FLT WITH NO FURTHER COMPLICATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE LEAR SAW US. I'M NOT ONE TO POINT FINGERS, BUT I BELIEVE THE CTLR TOLD THE WRONG ACFT TO GO TO 3000 FT. CONTRIBUTING TO THE SIT WERE THE OTHER ACFT BEING VECTORED TO THE APCH, THE CTLR WORKING ACFT TO ANOTHER ARPT (MGM), THE CTLR'S USE OF NONSTANDARD TERMINOLOGY IN DESCRIBING THE TFC TO US, AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE IN A TRAINING FLT AND WERE DOING A LOT OF TALKING WITH THE STUDENT. I SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP ON THE CO-ALT ASSIGNMENT, BUT THE LACK OF TFC ADVISORY LED ME TO BELIEVE THE TFC WAS FAR AWAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.