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Student pilot of a C172 on a dual cross country training flight overshot assigned departure altitude on 2 occasions, and took a heading change for another aircraft, when departing an airport in TRSA airspace. The overshoots and erroneous heading change caused less than standard separation with a saab 340 commuter.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 391850 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199801 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mgm |
| State Reference | AL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mgm |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | SF 340A |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 404 flight time type : 300 |
| ASRS Report | 391850 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 300 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On a cross country training flight my student and I flew to mgm. On departure we were to stay at or below 3000 ft MSL. My student climbed through the altitude to 3200 ft. When he began to descend to 3000 ft, we were told to climb to 3500 ft. He thought he leveled off at 3500 ft, but began to climb to 3800 ft. We were reminded to get to 3500 ft and we did. At that time they called another aircraft and told them to turn to 120 degrees. In the chaos, I thought the controller told our aircraft to turn so we repeated the instructions and gave our call sign and made the turn. The controller told us to proceed on course which I thought he meant 120 degrees, but he meant 030 degrees. The situation was handled and no harm was done. A saab 340 was at 4000 ft high, off our left wing. Climbing to 3800 ft caused less than a 500 ft separation. We were still 1/2 to 1 mi apart. We had the saab 340 visually and were not a factor. The controling agency had me call them. We discussed the situation and the controller decided not to file any action.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STUDENT PLT OF A C172 ON A DUAL XCOUNTRY TRAINING FLT OVERSHOT ASSIGNED DEP ALT ON 2 OCCASIONS, AND TOOK A HDG CHANGE FOR ANOTHER ACFT, WHEN DEPARTING AN ARPT IN TRSA AIRSPACE. THE OVERSHOOTS AND ERRONEOUS HDG CHANGE CAUSED LTSS WITH A SAAB 340 COMMUTER.
Narrative: ON A XCOUNTRY TRAINING FLT MY STUDENT AND I FLEW TO MGM. ON DEP WE WERE TO STAY AT OR BELOW 3000 FT MSL. MY STUDENT CLBED THROUGH THE ALT TO 3200 FT. WHEN HE BEGAN TO DSND TO 3000 FT, WE WERE TOLD TO CLB TO 3500 FT. HE THOUGHT HE LEVELED OFF AT 3500 FT, BUT BEGAN TO CLB TO 3800 FT. WE WERE REMINDED TO GET TO 3500 FT AND WE DID. AT THAT TIME THEY CALLED ANOTHER ACFT AND TOLD THEM TO TURN TO 120 DEGS. IN THE CHAOS, I THOUGHT THE CTLR TOLD OUR ACFT TO TURN SO WE REPEATED THE INSTRUCTIONS AND GAVE OUR CALL SIGN AND MADE THE TURN. THE CTLR TOLD US TO PROCEED ON COURSE WHICH I THOUGHT HE MEANT 120 DEGS, BUT HE MEANT 030 DEGS. THE SIT WAS HANDLED AND NO HARM WAS DONE. A SAAB 340 WAS AT 4000 FT HIGH, OFF OUR L WING. CLBING TO 3800 FT CAUSED LESS THAN A 500 FT SEPARATION. WE WERE STILL 1/2 TO 1 MI APART. WE HAD THE SAAB 340 VISUALLY AND WERE NOT A FACTOR. THE CTLING AGENCY HAD ME CALL THEM. WE DISCUSSED THE SIT AND THE CTLR DECIDED NOT TO FILE ANY ACTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.