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Attributes | |
ACN | 391960 |
Time | |
Date | 199801 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sdl |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phx |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 391960 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On a descending approach from over mountains 30 KM east of sdl, due to ambiguous controller technique/phraseology, I allegedly penetrated class B. Upon first call, I was given landing and airport information for destination. Upon second call I was told to call back in 5 mins. Approach control was overloaded and the controller seemed stressed. The controllers changed shifts. I was not told to 'stay clear of class B' and took airport information for a clearance. The logical action was to maintain original course and rate of descent and to not make unusual or unpredictable maneuvers while in an ambiguous situation. It was upon landing, when asked to call approach control, that I was informed I had entered class B without clearance. I am concerned that if a situation like this should happen to be addressed with a violation, it might encourage pilots to not report to 'control' in order to avoid a violation. Ie, if I hadn't continued to radio to approach control they wouldn't know who/which VFR plane to have telephone them for information.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT RPTR ASSUMED BECAUSE HE RECEIVED ARPT INFO FROM APCH CTLR THAT IT CLRED HIM TO THE ARPT. APCH CTLR WAS BUSY AND TOLD RPTR TO CALL BACK IN 5 MINS. RPTR CONTINUED DSCNT AND PENETRATED CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON A DSNDING APCH FROM OVER MOUNTAINS 30 KM E OF SDL, DUE TO AMBIGUOUS CTLR TECHNIQUE/PHRASEOLOGY, I ALLEGEDLY PENETRATED CLASS B. UPON FIRST CALL, I WAS GIVEN LNDG AND ARPT INFO FOR DEST. UPON SECOND CALL I WAS TOLD TO CALL BACK IN 5 MINS. APCH CTL WAS OVERLOADED AND THE CTLR SEEMED STRESSED. THE CTLRS CHANGED SHIFTS. I WAS NOT TOLD TO 'STAY CLR OF CLASS B' AND TOOK ARPT INFO FOR A CLRNC. THE LOGICAL ACTION WAS TO MAINTAIN ORIGINAL COURSE AND RATE OF DSCNT AND TO NOT MAKE UNUSUAL OR UNPREDICTABLE MANEUVERS WHILE IN AN AMBIGUOUS SIT. IT WAS UPON LNDG, WHEN ASKED TO CALL APCH CTL, THAT I WAS INFORMED I HAD ENTERED CLASS B WITHOUT CLRNC. I AM CONCERNED THAT IF A SIT LIKE THIS SHOULD HAPPEN TO BE ADDRESSED WITH A VIOLATION, IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE PLTS TO NOT RPT TO 'CTL' IN ORDER TO AVOID A VIOLATION. IE, IF I HADN'T CONTINUED TO RADIO TO APCH CTL THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHO/WHICH VFR PLANE TO HAVE TELEPHONE THEM FOR INFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.